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Granny Magda
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Message 13 of 382 (496834)
01-31-2009 1:21 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by Buzsaw
01-30-2009 6:40 PM


"Evolutionism" ≠ Atheism
Hi Buz,
quote:
I would guess that roughly 30% of evolutionists would identify themselves as atheistic, 20% as theists and 50% as agnostic. Again, that's a wild guess.
Allow me to make another wild guess.
First off, how are you defining "evolutionist"? Let's be quite clear, outside of these adversarial creo vs evo debates, there is no such thing as an "evolutionist". The term is not in wide use and is certainly hardly ever used by scientists. In fact it is most frequently used by creationists. That's fine by me; we need to have ways to refer to the two main camps in discussions such as those on EvC.
Just remember that if you are using "evolutionist" simply to refer to "someone who accepts the veracity of the Theory of Evolution", that covers a much wider group of people than those you might find on internet discussion boards.
Viewed as a whole, and not just through the rather narrow window of EvC Forum, most "evolutionists" are theists of one stripe or another. Most people are theists. Most scientists are theists, although comparatively fewer than the population as a whole. Thus, it seems pretty reasonable to assume that most of those who accept evolutionary theory are indeed believers in a god or gods.
Not all theists are as hostile toward evolution as you Buz. Your guess has, I'm guessing, been coloured by your experiences on this board and perhaps others like it. Back in the real world, there is no conflict between many forms of religious belief and the Theory of Evolution. Just look at the numbers. In the US, about 40% believe evolution to be true, yet only about 4% are non-religious. Source and source.
How can that possibly work out if your guess is even close to being right? Answer; it can't. You're wrong.
Most evolutionist are theists, they're just not the same kind of theist as you are.
Mutate and Survive

"The Bible is like a person, and if you torture it long enough, you can get it to say almost anything you'd like it to say." -- Rev. Dr. Francis H. Wade

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Granny Magda
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Message 272 of 382 (500754)
03-02-2009 11:12 AM
Reply to: Message 270 by Kelly
03-02-2009 11:02 AM


Re: Why do you assume that?
Hi Kelly and welcome to the forum.
Theodoric is not making an assumption. Unless I miss my guess, he is already pretty familiar with how creation "science" works.
The truth is that creation "science" and Biblical creationism are so inseparable as to be almost indistinguishable. The advocates of creation "science" are always religious, usually fundamentalists. This can be easily demonstrated by noting the differing conclusions that different creation "scientists" reach. Their conclusions are always in agreement with their religious views. We never see the creation "science" of Christians disagreeing with the Bible for instance. Similarly, Muslim creation "science" tends to have an uncanny level of agreement with the Koran. They can't all be accurately following the evidence where it leads and indeed they are not; they are following their holy books.
Creation "scientists" are guilty of putting the cart before the horse when it comes to evidence. They already know the answer they want, then they go looking for it. That is not how science works. It is how religion works though.
Mutate and Survive
Edited by Granny Magda, : Wretched typo.

"The Bible is like a person, and if you torture it long enough, you can get it to say almost anything you'd like it to say." -- Rev. Dr. Francis H. Wade

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Granny Magda
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Message 280 of 382 (500764)
03-02-2009 11:58 AM
Reply to: Message 275 by Kelly
03-02-2009 11:31 AM


Re: That's funny
Kelly,
Let's try and calm down a bit shall we? (That goes for all of us Theo)
I understand your position Kelly and I hope I have at least some insight into why it is so important to you. Nonetheless, I still disagree and you will find that many others on this site will disagree as well.
In truth, this thread is not really about the merits of creation science or creationism in general. It is off topic and our admin team try to keep discussions tied to a specific topic. We find this more productive. Perhaps you might find the Is It Science? more suitable for this kind of discussion. Or you can propose a topic at Proposed New Topics.
Mutate and Survive

"The Bible is like a person, and if you torture it long enough, you can get it to say almost anything you'd like it to say." -- Rev. Dr. Francis H. Wade

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