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Percy
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Message 301 of 307 (49743)
08-10-2003 12:11 PM
Reply to: Message 300 by Coragyps
08-10-2003 11:34 AM


My guess is that he's talking about polonium halos.
--Percy

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John
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Message 302 of 307 (49746)
08-10-2003 12:49 PM
Reply to: Message 278 by Theologian63
08-10-2003 7:22 AM


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It's fallacious since we know MANY of the biblical authors.
Not true, despite the christian apologetics, we know very few of the Bible's authors and even where we suspect to know who the author was, we know little about that person. You really should learn your subject.
Take James:
James wrote James
Not likely. It wasn't known until the end of the 2nd century, so even if the author were named James, he wasn't James the brother of Jesus as is tradition.
James
Revelation, John I-III:
The attribution of these books to John the Apostle was challenged as early as the 2nd century AD-- the second century beginning ten years after the book was written. And ...
Most Biblical scholars point to the many differences in the style, vocabulary and theology between Revelation and the Gospel of John. They conclude that Revelation was written by an unknown author - perhaps a Jewish Christian whose primary language was Aramaic.
 Book of Revelation - understanding it, topics covered, Jesus
Psalms:
The Jewish psalms were written during the various monarchies, prior to the exile of 586 BCE. The unknown persons who edited the Psalms tended to attribute to David all psalms which were written during the era of the Monarchy, regardless of their actual authorship. A few of the psalms can be dated because they with specific historical events. Actual authorship is mostly unknown.
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John
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Message 303 of 307 (49749)
08-10-2003 12:57 PM
Reply to: Message 285 by Theologian63
08-10-2003 9:45 AM


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This is fallacious on the ground of Heresay.
Can you provide a source that says Moses did not write the Torah?

Have you never actually researched your subject? Scholars noted this in the 18oo's. For a quick run-down...
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Message 304 of 307 (49750)
08-10-2003 1:20 PM
Reply to: Message 299 by ConsequentAtheist
08-10-2003 11:27 AM


Re: Check your sources!
quote:
Very well - name ten where the term was employed.
Easton's Bible Dictionary writes:
(Heb. mashiah), in all the thirty-nine instances of its occurring in the Old Testament, is rendered by the LXX. "Christos." It means anointed. Thus priests #Ex 28:41 40:15 Nu 3:3 prophets #1Ki 19:16 and kings #1Sa 9:16 16:3 2Sa 12:7 were anointed with oil, and so consecrated to their respective offices.
quote:
Are you claiming that (1) Tacitus was referring to some other movement, and/or that (2) the reference was a later interpolation?
Neither. The suggestion is that Tacitus was relaying what the Christians themselves believed-- that their movement was founded by a real man named Jesus. That the Christians believed this does not make it true. It is pretty simple logic really.
quote:
Doesn't it make more sense that he was simply relying on current (i.e., early 2nd century CE) Christian sources?
That is exactly the point. This means one now has to drop Tacitus and go about verifying those Christian sources. That is the trick. There aren't any sources outside the Christian movement. We can reasonably expect internal sources to be biased. If there is a car wreck, who do you believe? The person who caused the wreck and who may be trying to save his skin? The victim of the wreck who may be trying to stiff the insurance company? Or the witness who has nothing to gain or to lose?
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Brian
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Message 305 of 307 (49751)
08-10-2003 1:31 PM
Reply to: Message 299 by ConsequentAtheist
08-10-2003 11:27 AM


Re: Check your sources!
Hi CA,
I only have a few minutes so I will be brief and if you want to discuss any particular points in greater detail then I would be happy to do so.
Very well - name ten where the term was employed.
1. Simon Bar Kochba
2. Menachem Ben Amiel
3. King David (2 Samuel 2:4)
4. King Saul (1 Samuel 10:1)
5. Solomon (1 Kings 1:9)
6. Jehoahaz (2 Kings 23:30)
7. Shabbtai Tzvi
8. Jehu (2 Kings 9:6)
9. Hazael (1 Kings 19:15)
10. Elish (1 Kings:19:16)
‘Messiah’ is the English equivalent of the Hebrew,Mashiach which is translated as ‘Anointed’. ‘Mashiach’ refers to a person who is recruited into some particular task for God, and basically means they have been anointed by having oil poured over their head. For example Exodus 29:10 Take the anointing oil and anoint him by pouring it on his head. .
As a result, there are numerous ‘messiahs’ in the Bible because every king was anointed with oil to mark the beginning of their reign, even high priests could be messiahs as they were normally anointed too.
Take David as an example when he is talking about Saul: But the LORD forbid that I should lay a hand on the LORD's anointed. Now get the spear and water jug that are near his head, and let's go.
Therefore, linguistically, pick any anointed person and you have a messiah. The Bible is littered with anointed people.
Brian.

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Adminnemooseus
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Message 306 of 307 (49752)
08-10-2003 1:33 PM


Topic closing soon
This topic is a royal mess, and I strongly suspect that it was a royal mess starting at about message 1.
Will be preparing "topic closing message". Anyone that cares, make you closing statements now.
"Biblical Contradictions III" to follow?
Adminnemooseus

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Message 307 of 307 (49758)
08-10-2003 2:54 PM
Reply to: Message 306 by Adminnemooseus
08-10-2003 1:33 PM


Re: Topic closing soon
As I see it, in the context of the "The Bible: Accuracy and Inerrancy" forum, a "Biblical Contradictions" topic should be confined to discussing contradictions internal to the Bible.
Biblical conflicts with matters of science belong elsewhere. Conflicts with geology belong in the "Geology and the Great Flood" forum (although purely theological considerations of the "Great Flood" do NOT belong there). Biblical conflicts with astronomy belong in the "Big Bang and Cosmology" forum. Biblical conflicts with biology belong in one of the biology type forums.
Just the sheer number of messages this topic has accumulated (bout 170 in the past 4 days) is indicative that babble is happening. Things seem to range from "off-topic" to "way off-topic".
Anyhow, the topic has reached 300+ messages, which is getting into the area of needing to close it before topic technical damage happens.
Please note the other forums/topics that I have recently been bumping. They are better places for the various side comments and miscellaneous chit-chat.
Closing this topic - On to "Biblical Contradictions III"?
Adminnemooseus
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