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riVeRraT
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Message 46 of 60 (355685)
10-10-2006 4:24 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by jar
10-10-2006 8:45 AM


Re: Dear Watsons
It is pretty hard to find 50+ carat gemstones. The Hope Diamond for example is 45.52 carats.
Just saw on the news yesterday a 300+carat diamond was found, and they will cutting it into smaller stones. The largest will be 80 carats.
But your right.

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iceage 
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Message 47 of 60 (355802)
10-11-2006 2:51 AM


Another video is out
A Third video is out in the series at:
Access denied
I have taken frames from the videos for identification of the stones.
Frames Video 1
Frames Video 2
Frames Video 3
I would guess the stones are 20mm across with a cone circular cut.
Still looking for the commercial source for these "stones".
But getting close.... zercon perhaps.
Oh ya. Finding more Here and Here
Search key word "Zircon round brilliant cut"
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riVeRraT
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Message 48 of 60 (355817)
10-11-2006 7:28 AM
Reply to: Message 47 by iceage
10-11-2006 2:51 AM


Re: Another video is out
Excellent work.
Those look like the ones.
{ABE}
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZdanmeisi748
Can we approximate, by comparing sizes in the video (i.e. hand to stone ratio) about how many carats those gems in the video are?
The cut looks extremely similiar. My grandfather was a faceter, and would cut stones with a machine by hand(not computer). I have a nice collection of stones and gems myself.
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Taz
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Message 49 of 60 (355852)
10-11-2006 9:39 AM


Ok, I haven't watched the whole video through because I didn't have the patience to listen to the "child-like faith" crap and I couldn't fast forward.
With that said, could someone please tell me what the hell is going on? Did the gem stones fall from the sky? Did an angel appear and give the guy the stones? What's going on? I've been hoping someone would bring it up but apparently not.

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mike the wiz
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Message 50 of 60 (355894)
10-11-2006 12:44 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by Taz
10-11-2006 9:39 AM


Hi Gasby.
Basically, yes..the story is that these stones fall outside this bloke's house. Usually when he gets home from work. Also, gold dust appears on his body when he praises God or talks about God etc...One one occasion he got home, got out of his car and an angel was there and gave him a gemstone.
The woman at the start of the video was-pre-programming us to swallow the story by basically asking believers to have a child like faith and believe in these things rather than doubt. A ludicrous request because even a strict literalism in the bible only requires that we believe in God.
She's asking believers to basically have faith rather than doubt. A false dichotomy. One can have his faith and still apply skepticism to specific stories, otherwise we would have to believe everything based on that logic.
Example: "Jesus said to me Allah is God when I met him down the pub".
"Ants go to heaven because Jesus told me"
I would then have to accept those stories because it's best to have child like faith.

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iceage 
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Message 51 of 60 (355903)
10-11-2006 1:08 PM
Reply to: Message 50 by mike the wiz
10-11-2006 12:44 PM


Prove all things
Some scripture that may be appropiate to the situation:
Old Testament writes:
A simple man believes anything, but a prudent man gives thought to his steps
New Testament writes:
Prove all things; hold fast that which is good
Also from some wiseman said:
Wise men make proverbs, but fools repeat them
or wait....

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mike the wiz
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Message 52 of 60 (356105)
10-12-2006 8:49 AM
Reply to: Message 51 by iceage
10-11-2006 1:08 PM


Re: Prove all things
Thanks for the quotes.

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nator
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Message 53 of 60 (356372)
10-13-2006 7:29 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by Phat
10-09-2006 9:58 PM


Re: Tooth Fairies
schrafinator writes:
randman believes in that gold filling hokum.
quote:
And why would God use Gold? He could just remake the tooth with natural enamal?
LOL! Exactly! Wouldn't it just be far better to not have a filling at all, and have perfect teeth.
I can't believe I haven't thought of that counterpoint.

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nator
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Message 54 of 60 (356374)
10-13-2006 7:31 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by riVeRraT
10-09-2006 11:32 PM


Re: My personal opinion on this entire situation
quote:
No one would want to see it be real more than me, but I can't believe it, unless it was me.
You should still disbelieve it, even if it was you.

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Faith 
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Message 55 of 60 (356486)
10-14-2006 12:25 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by Phat
10-09-2006 9:58 PM


Re: Tooth Fairies
And why would God use Gold? He could just remake the tooth with natural enamal?
Oh how TRUE, Phat. That observation shows the sham in the whole thing right there.

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Nutcase
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Message 56 of 60 (357883)
10-21-2006 1:07 AM


I was unable to watch the video untill the end, because I was laughing so hard after she said "supernatural weight loss".
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iceage 
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Message 57 of 60 (357942)
10-21-2006 11:58 AM
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10-21-2006 1:07 AM


Supernatural Weight Gain
When I heard that my jaw dropped.
Hmmm.... lets see what other things are predominately on the minds of over-nourished Americans.... hmmmm... let me check my spam box... oh ya now I remember....
We can only hope that these Supernatural weight loss miracles are shipped to Sudan and resulted in weight gain on several under-nourished Africans.

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 58 of 60 (357951)
10-21-2006 1:13 PM
Reply to: Message 50 by mike the wiz
10-11-2006 12:44 PM


Gemstones
Basically, yes..the story is that these stones fall outside this bloke's house. Usually when he gets home from work. Also, gold dust appears on his body when he praises God or talks about God etc...One one occasion he got home, got out of his car and an angel was there and gave him a gemstone.
The woman at the start of the video was-pre-programming us to swallow the story by basically asking believers to have a child like faith and believe in these things rather than doubt. A ludicrous request because even a strict literalism in the bible only requires that we believe in God.
After watching the video, I have come to similar conclusions that you have. There are verses, particularly in Revelation, that speak of heaven with gem encrusted diadems. I've never taken those verses literally. I've always seen it as another parable on heaven like Jesus attempting to describe to us the indescribable shekina glory. Aside from which, the women in the video seem to be prepping us and have a very New Age feel to it, where loose descriptions about God are given. Though it nay be worthless for me to question the motivations of God, I don't see why He would use precious stones or gold, something coveted by man, to prove Himself to this one family in Idaho. Anyone could get some Zirconia and slap on some glitter.
I have this much to say about it. If these people are trying to hoax others, woe to them, for surely God will not overlook such an abomination. If it is by God that these happen, woe to me, for surely God is testing my faith.

"There is not in all America a more dangerous trait than the deification of mere smartness unaccompanied by any sense of moral responsibility." -Theodore Roosevelt

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Nutcase
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Message 59 of 60 (357955)
10-21-2006 1:47 PM
Reply to: Message 58 by Hyroglyphx
10-21-2006 1:13 PM


Re: Gemstones
Are there any verses in the Bible that describe weight loss miracles?
Okay, okay, I will stop now.
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Message 60 of 60 (501197)
03-05-2009 2:17 AM


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