A Genesis Day and the Age of the Earth: what does the Bible say?

'Please explain the logical and theological hoops you jumped through to get to this.'A convinced customer!

So you have nothing? You make a comment and you expect people to just believe it because it came from you?Come on, if you can't back what you say with a basic argument, quit wasting peoples time.

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It's you who have nothing but invented hoops.

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How long is a "day" in the first chapter of Genesis? Does the Bible say how old the earth Is?

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The first definition of "day" in the scripture is given in Genesis 1:5, "day" = "light". It is also the opposite of "darkness" which equals "night". The following graphic (which is mine) shows how this defintion works with the erev and boquer, one day forumula: One might ask how the darkness before the first day is included in the six days of creation then? Well, that is from Exodus 20:11 which uses a different defintion of "day". In that case, the darkness before the day is made part of a 24 hour day defintion. I have an article explain this: The Genesis Definition of DayEdited by Daniel4140, : No reason given.

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Creation 4140 B.C. Flood 2484 B.C
Exodus 1632 B.C. Online Chronology book: The Scroll of Biblical Chronology

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The first definition of "day" in the scripture is given in Genesis 1:5, "day" = "light". It is also the opposite of "darkness" which equals "night".

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Yes- 24 hrs. However, it is a figurative day, not a real one, having no meaning except a spiritual one. The six days of work correspond to the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross by which his righteousness is imputed to have faith in that sacrifice. The sabbath (rest) is the rest from seeking to justify oneself by doing good works. For the Israelites, the week and sabbath were prefigurements of the rest that their father Abraham had enjoyed through his faith. Whereas they had been given law via Moses, this law was never a solution- rather, it was a reminder that faith was always the only path that would lead to satisfaction, because they all failed to keep the law.

Say what you will, but the fact that I can work out the rest of biblical chronology literally without contradiction shows that it is ALL literal. Saying something is ONLY figurative only makes sense when a contradiciton is demonstrated in the literal reading.So first demonstrate that the literal meaning of "day" in Gen. 1 creates a contradiciton with context, then I might consider your theological speculations on what the figurative meaning might be.

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Creation 4140 B.C. Flood 2484 B.C
Exodus 1632 B.C. Online Chronology book: The Scroll of Biblical Chronology

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Say what you will, but the fact that I can work out the rest of biblical chronology literally without contradiction shows that it is ALL literal.

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Why?

Ochaye, the purpose of this forum is discussion. Your one word answer does not qualify. I challenged you to show a contradiction with the literal use of "day".

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Creation 4140 B.C. Flood 2484 B.C
Exodus 1632 B.C. Online Chronology book: The Scroll of Biblical Chronology

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Your one word answer does not qualify.

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Why does the fact that you can work out the rest of biblical chronology literally without contradiction show that it is ALL literal?

Hi Daniel,Welcome, Why do you have to assume the first day had a morning?There can be no evening without a morning.Genesis 1:1 and it's history as given in Genesis 2:4-4:24 took place in that period of light that had become evening in Genesis 1:5.Don't ask me how long that light period was as I do not know when the beginning was.I will say I believe day two was some 6k years ago.That evening and the following morning was declared by God as the first day.Gkod Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

If you read the first paragraph, you will see why:

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Further, the first day may or may not have had a dawn. If the newly created light increased gradually like turning up a dimmer switch on a lamp in a room, then the first day arguably has a dawn. If there was just a brilliant flash, then the first day has no dawn. Days two and beyond certainly had a dawn since the text speaks of "morning". Granting that a "dawn" for the first day is an assumption, I will assume it until proven otherwise simply to make the first day symmetrical to all the others.

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Source: The Genesis Definition of DayI don't think it's proven either way. You can have setting without morning. Just have the light flash into existence at zenith and then let it set. But, the POV is from one location on earth. There is no sequence of time for mornings and settings when viewed from space. But the text presupposed a sequence of time, so the Point of View must be one location on earth. Also no one ever confuses morning and setting at one place on earth with what is seen at the same time as another.This remark is confusing. Did you really mean chapter 2,3,and up chapter 4?

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Genesis 1:1 and it's history as given in Genesis 2:4-4:24 took place in that period of light that had become evening in Genesis 1:5.

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Creation 4140 B.C. Flood 2484 B.C
Exodus 1632 B.C. Online Chronology book: The Scroll of Biblical Chronology

Hi Daniel, Yes.But don't pay any attention to me I am just an old Bible thumper that believes God had Moses write down what He wanted us to know.If you listen to me you will be banging your head against a wall like Taz's avatar does.I believe in Genesis 1:1 God created the heaven and the earth (universe). Now I am just stupid enough to believe what God had Moses write down.Generations is history. So this verse is the beginning of the history of what happened the day (not days) God created the heavaen and the earth.The following verses begin with and or but.I am ultra old universe.But I believe modern man was created in the image of God about 6k years ago as stated in Genesis 1:27 with his generations (history) given beginning in Genesis 5:1.As claimed. I don't expect you to understand what I am saying because it goes against everything you have ever been told about this event.Nobody has believed me in the last 50+ years, I just love to tell it anyway.I believe there was a light period that began in Genesis 1:1.That light period lasted until the evening we find in Genesis 1:5.That is the reason God began with evening because the light period had ended.The following morning came 12 hours later and the second day began.The second day and all the following 5 days of creation was almost 24 hours each.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Perhaps if you answer this question, I can get you to clarify your position. When do you think the stars were made? When do you think Genesis 1 says the stars were made?Daniel

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Creation 4140 B.C. Flood 2484 B.C
Exodus 1632 B.C. Online Chronology book: The Scroll of Biblical Chronology

Hi Daniel, Everything in the universe was created in Genesis 1:1.God is eternal.That means He has always been.He said in the beginning.
He did not say in the beginning of the universe.When was the beginning?Was it 6,000 years ago?Was it 14.7 billion years ago?Or was it a lot longer than that?He created the heaven and the earth.Was it in the form we see it today?Not necessarly.God can do anything.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

The book came before the universe? Guess that whole thing about Moses describing his own death must have been pre-witten. Some Hindus say 491 billion years ago, but they believe in reincarnation so I would imagine a reincarnated universe is not much of a problem to their theology. Sure, God can do anything.I suppose someone else's god would curse humankind for arrogantly using their knowledge to cure smallpox, malaria, leprosy, or indeed work to cure hunger and poverty.But that is only the idle speculation concerning the depth of evil the OT god would do, as opposed to the NT God.Mixing the two is the greatest example of mescignation imaginable.So what is more important to Christians? How long a day is or to heal the sick, feed the poor, and uplift the meek?We have clear answers here already.

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Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider - Francis BaconThe more we understand particular things, the more we understand God - Spinoza