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Author Topic:   March, 2009, Posts of the Month
RAZD
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Message 16 of 18 (503518)
03-19-2009 6:47 PM


Catholic Scientist
I'd like to nominate Catholic Scientist for a string of posts in reply to Straggler on the Percy is a Deist - Now what's the difference between a deist and an atheist? thread. Straggler's position on subjective evidence is unrealistic, and CS demonstrates this with steady assurance. Perhaps Message 299 shows this to best effect:
Why is it convincing?
Because it seems real.
Why does the absence of objective evidence suddenly make subjective "evidence" even potentially valid or reliable?
Because that is all that's left.
Can subjective evidence ever be reliable?
Not reliable enough for something to be "verified as true" but reliable enough to convince a person to believe something is true.
Can we ever actually use it to distinguish truth from falsehood and if not why do you deem it to have any worth at all?
I think we can use it to distiguish truth from falsehood to certain degrees. I'm not the only one who believes they have subjectively experienced god. When many people share experiences and corroborate, we can rule out some things from the experience. I think the IPU can be ruled out because nobody has actually experienced it and it is obviously made-up. I don't think our corroboration can be used to say that the subjective experiece is from Jesus, himself. But I do think we can say that we are on to something. A very general god-like thingy seems to fit in a loose sense with the experiences that people are having so I don't think it has been ruled out like the IPU.
What CS shows is that the fact of experience does indeed make a difference.
Enjoy.

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Straggler
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Message 17 of 18 (503622)
03-20-2009 5:58 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by Granny Magda
03-15-2009 9:38 PM


Re: Aw Shucks!
Just looked up this one of yours on the basis of the nominations by Percy and RAZD.
Thirded.
This bit in particular stands out.
GM writes:
As I explained above, you have it backwards. Just to reiterate, science looks for answers. When they find an unknown, they attempt to bring it into the realm of the known. Only the ID lobby look for gaps in knowledge. When they find such a gap, they hold it up for all to see, triumphant at having found a refuge for their little god. They make no attempt to banish the gap in understanding by actually seeking more evidence. That would ruin the game. In truth, they worship these gaps as much as they worship any god.

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Granny Magda
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Message 18 of 18 (503626)
03-20-2009 6:20 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by Straggler
03-20-2009 5:58 PM


Re: Aw Shucks!
Thanks again, to RAZD and Straggler. Your kind words are very much appreciated.
Mutate and Survive

"The Bible is like a person, and if you torture it long enough, you can get it to say almost anything you'd like it to say." -- Rev. Dr. Francis H. Wade

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