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Message 6 of 64 (502834)
03-13-2009 3:18 PM

Reply to: Message 5 by Sky-Writing
03-13-2009 2:42 PM

Why?

Sarawak writes:

I understand and I have always wondered if ID people, in their quest to gain acceptances when they say the Creator might be some alien from another planet and is not necessarily God (wink, wink), don't realize that they are denigrating God by equating him with some lesser being. When I've brought it up, it gets ignored.

Sky writes:

A topic that SHOULD be ignored. People get involved in discussions they feel are important. This isn't one of them.

Why?

If there is indeed evidence of design then why is this hypothesis to be dismissed out of hand?

If the complexity and beauty that we see in nature could as much be the artistic expression of a higher alien species then why must this possibility be dismissed out of hand in favour of omnipotent, omniscient beings?

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Message 16 of 64 (503832)
03-22-2009 6:27 PM

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03-22-2009 6:19 PM

Law of Nature

What "we" see is a reality of energy held together by more energy in an absolutely infinite complex of immutable laws and rules that are unbreakable and can be relied upon no matter where we look or how far we travel.

How would you respond to the argument that "life evolves" is a law of nature that is "unbreakable and can be relied upon no matter where we look or how far we travel"?

Enjoy.

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Message 27 of 64 (503856)
03-22-2009 8:45 PM

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03-22-2009 7:52 PM

Re: Law of Nature

Straggler writes:

How would you respond to the argument that "life evolves" is a law of nature that is "unbreakable and can be relied upon no matter where we look or how far we travel"?

That "life" was/is a singular unique event not found anywhere else.
The opposite of a universal law.

Are there any factors that you think might increase the probability of life elsewhere?

Or is life here a one off and that it is utterly pointless to even think it might exist elsewhere?

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Message 39 of 64 (503881)
03-23-2009 4:00 AM

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03-22-2009 9:01 PM

Re: Law of Nature

Then it seems that we have an answer to the OP.

Sky writes:

And If I get the opportunity, I'll let you know what the rest of the cosmos was put there for.
I'm sure it has a purpose.
I get to find out the "why."

Creationists are effectively willing to forego the majesty of nature as discovered (i.e. the "how") such that they can revel in the perceived majesty of the "why" at some later date.

Personally I think even the notion of the "why" is a misconceived folly.

But even ignoring that possibility it has to be said that basing ones notion of "why" on something that requires you to deny reality as discovered is just plain stupid.

There are many notions of "why" that are wholly compatible with the "how" as revealed by nature.

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Message 55 of 64 (503918)
03-23-2009 1:06 PM

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Re: Law of Nature

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Personally I think even the notion of the "why" is a misconceived folly.

How insightful. All that scientific curiosity and wonder gone in a flash.

So you think that science can answer your "why" question then?

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Message 64 of 64 (503949)
03-23-2009 4:45 PM

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03-23-2009 4:15 PM

If you torture it long enough......

There is no "direct contradiction" today, so there was none back then either. His conflict was with the church LEADERS who rarely cracked open a Bible themselves. Still a common problem in many denominations.

Aha. So your interpretation of the bible, made with the benefit of hindsight of the discoveries made by science, is correct whilst all previous interpretations made without this benefit of hindsight are wrong.

And yet we should consider the bible as our guide to truth. Not the science that provides you with your superior interpretation.

"The Bible is like a person, and if you torture it long enough, you can get it to say almost anything you'd like it to say." -- Rev. Dr. Francis H. Wade (my respects to Granny Magda for stealing her signature quote)

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