ICR Sues Texas

The Omega Glory, which I believe was mid or late second season.BTW, that was strictly from memory. I had not followed that link before, but I'm sure I would have recognized it immediately.Similarly, when a Christian heard that I'm an atheist, he kind of challenged me by asking me what I believe in. I took a moment and thought about it and, corny as it may sound, came up with : Truth, justice, and the American way.

Faster than a speeding bullet.More powerful than a locomotive.Able to leap tall buildings in a single bound.Look! Up in the sky!It's a bird!It's a plane!It's...Superman!Yes, it's Superman, strange visitor from another planet who came to Earth with powers and abilities far beyond those of mortal men. Superman, who can change the course of mighty rivers, bend steel in his bare hands, and who, disguised as Clark Kent, mild mannered reporter for a great metropolitan newspaper, fights a never ending battle for truth, justice and the American way!And that's from memory, too!--PercyEdited by Percy, : Memory apparently not as good as I remember, added Clark Kent's name.

It is the 'alternate world' one where there was a war between the Yangs and the Coms. ...

It was one of the "bad" episodes, which leads me to believe it was from the third season. Yangs (Yankees) Kohms (Communists) and they worship an American Flag...talk about beating us over the head with an idea.

AND did a garbled version of the pledge of allegiance.

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we are limited in our ability to understand
by our ability to understand
Rebel American Zen Deist
... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ...
to share.

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Yeah, That episode and "Spock's Brain" have to go down as two of the worst episodes of Star Trek, period.

The Omega Glory. second season, episode 23, first broadcast March 1, 1968. And yes, the Yangs did worship the flag and held the founding documents sacred, but Kirk et. al taught them that the ideas in the founding documents were for WE THE PEOPLENot a great episode, but not nearly third season bad.(Nervously looking back and forth for admin intervention.)

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For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack ObamaWe see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

Oh no. The Omega Glory was better than either Turnabout Intruder or Let That Be Your Last Battlefield.

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For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack ObamaWe see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

Let That Be Your Last Battlefield was the one with the half white, half black guys fighting each other because of race, essentially, IIRC. I actually like that one. It's another case of Star Trek pumelling you with the message they're trying to get across, but at least it's not a nationalistic one.

I disagree that The Omega Glory was a nationalistic message. The Yangs worshiped the forms and the documents of America, but lost the main point that freedom was for all the people. In other words, our rights are not reserved for those who wrap themselves in the flag, but belong to everyone; a point that rather needed to be made in 1968.

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For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack ObamaWe see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

Perhaps true, and I'm watching it from a different perspective, having not been alive in the 60s, but it always struck me as saying, "These ideals are the ones to live by and the only place to find them in the universe is a place that comes from a parallel America."It was far-fetched to me, even more so than the planet that was a modern version of ancient Rome.

One could argue that particular point still needs to be made today...and likely every day so long as bigotry, intolerance, and Republicans still exist.

No episode name, and without looking through the rest of the thread, is it perhaps the episode where Kirk and the crew end up on a planet that is still fighting the cold war, but where the "americans" are depicted as barbarians and can barely pronounce the words in the US constitution (or is it the dec of ind?).In the episode, the document is treated much like the bible, so much so that only a select few are allowed to "read" it. Kirk, violating the prime directive (or is that a TNG thing?) opens their eyes to the "truth".abe: seems like I remember the episode somewhat incorrectly, but in my defense I only saw it once a few years back. In terms of quality, I remember dying in agony, but that's a daily occasion while watching the original star trek for me. So par for the course.Edited by kuresu, : No reason given.

In an effort to drag this thread back on track, (sorry, Dr. A.) I'd like to discuss one aspect of Texas law that, perhaps, the ICR might have thought it could use to its advantage.In HEB Ministries, Inc v. Texas Higher Education Coordinating Board, the Texas supreme court held that the First Amendment prohibits the state from dictating requirements for post-secondary schools that offered religious education. A Texas statute set forth requirements that all post-secondary schools must meet before they can use certain terms in the name of their institutions, or before they could use certain terms in describing the level of achievement that their graduates attained.The court reasoned that applying this general scheme for regulating educational institutions to schools of religious education would, in essence, result in the state giving its seal of approval to certain types of religious instruction, and withholding it from others. This sort of preferential treatment for some types of religious instruction violated both the U.S. and the Texas Constitutions.Given the extraordinary lack of anything approaching intelligence demonstrated in the crafting of the Complaint, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if the attorney for ICR is contemplating using this case to advance his position. I can tell you that several commentaries on the ICR suit seem to think that the victory in HEB Ministries bodes well for the ICR. However, to the extent that the ICR wants to issue a degree relating to science education, HEB Ministries is of no use to it whatsoever.The HEB Ministries opinion goes to some length to describe the particular educational program offered at Tyndale Theological Seminary. Out of 172 courses, 162 dealt exclusively with religious instruction of one sort or another. Of the other ten, three were in general education, Reading, Grammar and World History, and the other seven were in typing, word processing and internet research. All of the diplomas the school offered were in fields of religious instruction. It was very important to the court that all of the instruction was exclusively religious in content and purpose.The court agreed that the state had a legitimate interest in ensuring that post-secondary educational institutions met certain minimum standards of education for the protection of students attending them, as well as to ensure that employers could rely on degrees issued by Texas schools in areas outside of religious instruction. And as we are all aware, the ICR is trying to portray its education as something other than a religious one, insisting scientific training in anti-evolutionism is a legitimate field of endeavor. However, the minute the move outside the field of religious instruction, they are then compelled to meet the same requirements that any other post-secondary institution must meet.If you hear or read anyone arguing that HEB Ministries v. Texas Higher Education Coordinating Board supports the ICR's lawsuit, rest assured that they don't understand the position that the HEB Ministries[/i] case stands for.

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For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack ObamaWe see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

Well done Rahvin. Comedy 101: The rule of 3 - with the last being the curve ball.

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