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Author Topic:   Vapour canopy and fountains of the deep
Theodoric
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Message 52 of 144 (507509)
05-05-2009 5:41 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by Trev777
05-05-2009 5:27 PM


Re: bump for creationist contribution
First I am going to go easy and address the obvious weaknesses. Then if you persist we can deal with the science aspects.
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Russian astronauts discovered this in the fifties, and noted that this region would have been capable of holding superheated steam.
Any chance you have a source for this? Or is it something your preacher told you?
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This high temperature region is about 80 miles above the earth's surface.
Any idea what the temperature is at that altitude? Would you say it is above or below freezing? Just asking. Need to know what you classify as a "high temperature region".

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Theodoric
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Message 55 of 144 (507515)
05-05-2009 6:04 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by Trev777
05-05-2009 5:27 PM


Re: bump for creationist contribution
Your 30% oxygen claim is questionable at best.
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There is however the case for the fact that amber is reactive, meaning that it is possible that the oxygen samples are corrupted for whatever reason. 30% is an average and the 300 samples tested by USGS scientists of the Cretaceous-Tertiary periods didn’t really correlate. Some went as high as 36.6% oxygen, while others went as low as 25.5%, depending on location and age (the oldest amber tested was about 130 million years old). If that is of any meaning is hard to say, but many believe that amber is too unstable to draw any conclusions from it.
I would think at 30% atmospheric oxygen everything would be burning. Then again in your fantasy world there were no lightning bolts or volcanoes. Oh why did we have to have the fall, everything was so perfect back then.

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Theodoric
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Message 58 of 144 (507523)
05-05-2009 6:34 PM
Reply to: Message 48 by ICANT
05-05-2009 2:32 PM


Re: bump for creationist contribution
All I can say is WOW.
Your source for the "two miles in depth" quote?
Encyclopedia Americana.
Publication date?
1919
Did you not know that? Do you think science hasn't changed its understanding of the earth in 90 years?
Up to date stuff. It is even from a creationist site. Not YEC though.
Air can hold, at most, 55 grams of water vapor per cubic meter. In contrast, liquid water is at a density of 1,000,000 grams per cubic meter. The ratio of the two numbers is 1:18,000. Therefore, a flood of 1 mile thickness (which would cover only 1/5 of Mount Everest), would require 18,000 miles of canopy. Besides the problem of gravity (which would bring the whole thing down), such a thick layer of water vapor would completely block any light from the Sun from reaching the earth.
Even a canopy of the equivalent of only 40 feet of liquid water would double the earth's atmospheric pressure, which would kill many animals, including humans. This pressure would also increase the temperature on the earth to a scorching 220F. Most animals and plants do not survive long at this temperature.
Another problem is getting the water out of the atmosphere and onto the ground without cooking everything on the earth. Each gram of water vapor that condenses to a liquid releases 539 calories of heat. For a vapor canopy to produce a global water layer of only 40 feet deep, 6.22 x 1021 grams of water would release 3.35 x 1024 calories, raising the temperature of the earth to 810F. Such a scenario would definitely kill all life on earth, but would produce a tremendous air conditioning problem for Noah. And a 40 feet deep flood would certainly not be global.

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Theodoric
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Message 60 of 144 (507530)
05-05-2009 7:30 PM
Reply to: Message 59 by Coragyps
05-05-2009 7:23 PM


Re: bump for creationist contribution
Russian astronauts discovered this in the fifties....
Damn. I can't believe I missed that.
I wonder if he will dare come back and try to back his statements with some sort of evidence.

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