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Topic: Vapour canopy and fountains of the deep
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Huntard
Member (Idle past 2317 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: 09-02-2008
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Message 47 of 144 (507486)
05-05-2009 1:50 PM
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Reply to: Message 46 by ICANT
05-05-2009 9:51 AM
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Re: bump for creationist contribution
ICANT writes: There is more than enough water present today to cover the land mass.
No there isn't, it would be covered otherwise.
I hunt for the truth
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Huntard
Member (Idle past 2317 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: 09-02-2008
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Message 62 of 144 (507545)
05-06-2009 4:30 AM
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Reply to: Message 60 by Theodoric
05-05-2009 7:30 PM
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Re: bump for creationist contribution
Theodoric writes: I wonder if he will dare come back and try to back his statements with some sort of evidence.
I'm pretty sure he'll be back, I wouldn't hold my breath for any evidence though.
I hunt for the truth
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Huntard
Member (Idle past 2317 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: 09-02-2008
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Message 64 of 144 (507550)
05-06-2009 5:27 AM
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Reply to: Message 63 by Peg
05-06-2009 4:33 AM
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Re: bump for creationist contribution
Peg writes: So there is thus nothing physically impossible about thermal vapor blanket existing in the upper atmosphere.
Except of course that Lyx2no already pointed out that the intense radiation there would rip the molecules to shreds. So no, it's not "physically possible".
I hunt for the truth
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Huntard
Member (Idle past 2317 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: 09-02-2008
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Message 72 of 144 (507604)
05-06-2009 5:26 PM
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Reply to: Message 71 by Trev777
05-06-2009 5:12 PM
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Re: bump for creationist contribution
Trev777 writes: A lot of cages rattled, -if there was no vapour canopy , there was no world wide flood but an (evolutionary) localised flood.
Would you mind telling me what the hell an "evolutinary flood" is?
The pre-flood world was vastly different from today, our pathetic minds can't even start to imagine it.
Yeah, you might have noticed when Admin said:
Admin writes: I'll be moderating this thread. Participants will be required to support their positions with evidence and argument.
That's what you're supposed to do here, not spout off things from the top of your head without even vindicating them.
There are only two shows in town , all blind chance or meaning and purpose.
And you're wrong there too, since evolution isn't just blind chance. Natural selection isn't random in any way.
Its late- God bless you all.
You know, I even predicted you wouldn't provide any evidence, guess I'm a fortune teller. I think I'll go scam...I mean, help some people.
I hunt for the truth
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Huntard
Member (Idle past 2317 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: 09-02-2008
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Message 95 of 144 (507793)
05-08-2009 3:54 AM
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Reply to: Message 91 by Peg
05-08-2009 2:15 AM
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Re: Up, Up, and Away
Peg writes: thats where I differ because i see that 70% of the earth is covered by water and I look at that as evidence of the earth being flooded by water.
Let me get this straight. You take the fact that the entire Earth is only covered by about three quarters in water, and see that as evidence that it can be covered completely? Am I the only one not seeing the logic here?
I hunt for the truth
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Huntard
Member (Idle past 2317 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: 09-02-2008
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Message 110 of 144 (507943)
05-09-2009 5:23 AM
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Reply to: Message 109 by Peg
05-09-2009 5:10 AM
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Re: Up, Up, and Away
Peg writes: The vapor could have existed in gas form in the atmosphere just like they do on other planets...why is this impossible?
It's not impossible as is. However, have you got ANY idea of the volume that gas would have, and have you ANY idea of the incredible amounts of energy that would be released when these gasses were mixed to make water? I'm sure you know what happens if you put hydrogen an oxygen in a jar, shake it up a bit open the lid and light a match, no? Well, it gives quite a big boom, and creates the water you need. Now, do this for the vast quantities of these two gases, and what do you get? Yes, a disintegrated Earth!* *Probably an exaggeration, but it would most certainly kill everything and anything.
I hunt for the truth
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Huntard
Member (Idle past 2317 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: 09-02-2008
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Message 122 of 144 (507965)
05-09-2009 9:28 AM
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Reply to: Message 114 by Peg
05-09-2009 6:05 AM
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Re: Up, Up, and Away
Peg writes: Ah right I see what you mean now. Although im not convinced that God does not have the power to control such forces and release such energy safely.
Of course god could do that, he can do anything. That's not a scientific explanation, however. This doesn't matter, but if you want that, you can't invoke god.
So then we are back to the original question of how the water vapor may have existed in the atmosphere...what other possibilities are there?
There are no possibiblities when looking at the big picture, there's simply no way that such a vapour canopy could have existed without killing everything and anything on earth, either by the extreme pressure it produces, or by all the extreme energies that are released when it falls to earth.
I hunt for the truth
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Huntard
Member (Idle past 2317 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: 09-02-2008
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Message 124 of 144 (507970)
05-09-2009 9:54 AM
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Reply to: Message 116 by Peg
05-09-2009 6:51 AM
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Re: fishing for facts
Peg writes: However there is evidence of a time when the oceans were smaller and the continents were larger than they are now, eg river channels extending far out under the oceans. This must surely tell us that there was less water on earth at one time. So where did all this additional water come from?
The water was here all along. Does the term "ice-age" ring a bell? In case it doesn't, what do you think those massive glaciers consisted of?
I hunt for the truth
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Huntard
Member (Idle past 2317 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: 09-02-2008
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Message 138 of 144 (508039)
05-10-2009 4:15 AM
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Reply to: Message 133 by Peg
05-10-2009 2:24 AM
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Re: fishing for facts
Peg writes: but thats the problem, the areas of earth that are currently under ice were at one time warm and not covered in ice.
Yes, and that phenomenon is called plate tectonics. More importantly, as Dr. Adequate has noted, there were vast amounts of ice on land that is now ice free.
So where did all that water that is there now, come from?
That also has always been there. Even if it wasn't frozen all the time that STILL isn't enough to flood the planet.
I hunt for the truth
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