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lyx2no Member (Idle past 4737 days) Posts: 1277 From: A vast, undifferentiated plane. Joined: |
Yeah, that's toasty alright. At 80 miles up the mean temp is around 1100F. But that fluctuates by about 400F between night and day. The reason it fluctuates so much is because the air, if you could call it that any longer, is so tenuous a little sun light goes a long way. And it not like you have only a little sun light. You got a whole pant load. UV & X-ray photons just rippin' through like there's no tomorrow. And for a water molecule there ain't. Goodness, you don't even get to keep your O2's & N2's of a piece, yet alone H2O's. They just go flying all to bits. At that hight and those temperatures you end up with a gruel so thin Mr Limbkins would have given the thermosphere more would it have said please and sir.
Sorry, off on a wee bit of a delusion. And guess who I saw there, Trev777? Edited by lyx2no, : Hight counts for something. Genesis 2 17 But of the ponderosa pine, thou shalt not eat of it; for in the day that thou shinniest thereof thou shalt sorely learn of thy nakedness. 18 And we all live happily ever after.
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lyx2no Member (Idle past 4737 days) Posts: 1277 From: A vast, undifferentiated plane. Joined: |
is it possible that the water vapor existed in the form of Hydrogen and Oxygen gas? No. The gasses of the thermosphere are so tenuous and any separated hydrogen is so kinetically energetic there is nearly nothing to stop it from being lost to space; hence, there is nearly none available for recombination. This goes without mentioning, again, that the thermosphere is so tenuous that if the entire 900 mile thickness were compressed to STP it would fill a layer an inch* deep. If you wish to imagine these gasses were lower down in the atmosphere you may want to consider that recombination itself often proves to be problematic.
God making water *Hyperbole used to make the point: not a true statement of fact. Edited by lyx2no, : No reason given. Genesis 2 17 But of the ponderosa pine, thou shalt not eat of it; for in the day that thou shinniest thereof thou shalt sorely learn of thy nakedness. 18 And we all live happily ever after.
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lyx2no Member (Idle past 4737 days) Posts: 1277 From: A vast, undifferentiated plane. Joined: |
Jupiter and Saturn both have a thick atmosphere composed of mostly hydrogen and helium....why dont these gasses get lost in space?
It is the Earth you must contend with, Peg. Is there any reasonable atmospheric source for the requisite 6108 cubic miles of water needed for a flood to cover all the world? For a minuscule fraction of it? No, Peg, there isn't. The only source for the water would be a miracle. And miracles are not subject to cause and effect, and need leave no evidence of their happening. That may be the reason that God had to tell us about it instead of there being plentiful evidence that we might see for ourselves. The π sky Edited by lyx2no, : Edit Pie in the sky. Genesis 2 17 But of the ponderosa pine, thou shalt not eat of it; for in the day that thou shinniest thereof thou shalt sorely learn of thy nakedness. 18 And we all live happily ever after.
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lyx2no Member (Idle past 4737 days) Posts: 1277 From: A vast, undifferentiated plane. Joined: |
instead i accept that it happened because God has the power to do it. Again, Peg, no you don't. You're trying to explain the suspension of 6108 cubic miles of water above the surface of the Earth in some rational way, not as one of God's miracles. This calls into question the intelligence of every science minded person on Earth. Try this:"Hi everyone. My name is Peg, and I believe that God used a miracle to flooded the world with 6108 cubic miles of water within the last five thousand years and left no evidence of it save His mentioning it in the Bible." Then kick back and see if anyone argues with you. I'm sure some not overly thoughtful person will, but merely point out that that is your belief and you've won the argument.
YEAH! PEG WINS. Edited by lyx2no, : Formating. Edited by lyx2no, : of water Genesis 2 17 But of the ponderosa pine, thou shalt not eat of it; for in the day that thou shinniest thereof thou shalt sorely learn of thy nakedness. 18 And we all live happily ever after.
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lyx2no Member (Idle past 4737 days) Posts: 1277 From: A vast, undifferentiated plane. Joined: |
have scientists ever tried to create such an experiment to see what the effects would be? Yes. And you can preform just such an experiment at home (or, for the advanced reader, in your head) showing you the same thing. The Thing:
A one inch square column of water sitting on the ground weighs about one metric ton per mile (with apologies to the purist who flinched at my mixing systems). Most plants and animals are not equipped to deal with multiple Mg/in2 pressures. For very short periods of time a person can withstand about a third of a tonne/in2, while other animals find foraging a more interesting pursuit and have yet to venture into competition deep diving. However, is it possible that our column of water could be held in suspension in the atmosphere as a gas and not exert the same pressure on surface of the Earth? The Experiment:
It is well known by any child playing in a pool that it is possible to lift a much greater weigh while it is below the surface than when it is above the surface with a transition that seem nearly magical. Most children are disillusioned in the seventh grade when they are told about buoyancy in an Earth Sciences class. When a toaster is immersed in a bathtub full of water, if one is not occupied by certain other effects, two things will be evident: the afore mentioned weight reduction and the rise in the level of the water. This rise in the water level is important. The amount of rise times the integral surface area through the rise interval equals the volume of the toaster. Eureka, if we weight that volume of water it will be gleaned that that volume of water weights exactly that of the loss measured in the toaster. We have located the repository of the missing weight of the toaster in the rise in the water. I hope it is easily understood that the weight of the bathtub plus the weight of the toaster is equal to the weight of the bathtub and toaster. Similarly, the weight of our x miles high, inch square, column of air plus the weight of our y miles high, inch square, column of water equals the weight of our the weight of our combined x+18ky miles high, inch square, column of air and water vapor. If this is not clear to you, Peg, I suggest you take a toaster with you next time you take a bath and see it for yourself. I'm sure you'll find the experiment enlightening. AbE: Sorry folks. In my head my statement read "pre mile" and even after reading it a few times I still read it saying just that. I thought the ever-so-popular, super-adorable, mega-spootie, awesome NosyNed was referring to my not mentioning the total hight of the water of the flood. It has since been corrected. (And thanks for "buoyancy" too. I must have missed the "y" and my spell checker replaced it with bouncy. I too rarely question my SC's suggestions.) This also removes the problem as pointed out by petrophysics1's post, but proof reading rather then dimensional analysis was the cause of the error; nevertheless, I did screw-up. To one and all: I welcome any and all corrections/suggestions to/for my posts. Though most of my errors are due to impatience, I remain without a mentor and am attempting to guide my own education through these matters. It is a trail fraught with dead ends. Edited by Admin, : Fix spelling, "bouncy" => "buoyancy" Edited by lyx2no, : Per mile. Edited by lyx2no, : Point out the point more clearly. Genesis 2 17 But of the ponderosa pine, thou shalt not eat of it; for in the day that thou shinniest thereof thou shalt sorely learn of thy nakedness. 18 And we all live happily ever after.
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lyx2no Member (Idle past 4737 days) Posts: 1277 From: A vast, undifferentiated plane. Joined: |
You don't give the height of the column of water so the weight of it is meaningless. The Bible establishes the hight of the column.
The toaster 'joke' maybe cute but it obfuscates your point The facts obfuscate the point for some.
I'm not sure that Archimedes is needed here anyway. Archimedes was worth five bonus points. Edited by lyx2no, : The gentler gamester is the soonest winner Henry V. Genesis 2 17 But of the ponderosa pine, thou shalt not eat of it; for in the day that thou shinniest thereof thou shalt sorely learn of thy nakedness. 18 And we all live happily ever after.
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lyx2no Member (Idle past 4737 days) Posts: 1277 From: A vast, undifferentiated plane. Joined: |
Thank you NosyNed and petrophysics1. I have edited the original post to include "per mile"
Genesis 2 17 But of the ponderosa pine, thou shalt not eat of it; for in the day that thou shinniest thereof thou shalt sorely learn of thy nakedness. 18 And we all live happily ever after.
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lyx2no Member (Idle past 4737 days) Posts: 1277 From: A vast, undifferentiated plane. Joined: |
Which weighs more: a ton of feather or a ton of brick?
Which weighs more: a pound of feather or a pound of gold? Peek:
A pound of feathers weighs 453.6 grams.
A pound of gold weighs 373.2 grams.
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