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Author Topic:   Fulfillments of Bible Prophecy
Huntard
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Message 258 of 327 (508169)
05-11-2009 4:17 AM
Reply to: Message 257 by Peg
05-11-2009 2:17 AM


Re: Destruction of Jerusalem 70CE prophecy
There's only one tiny little problem with this prophecy.
It was written AFTER the fall of Jerusalem....

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Huntard
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Message 259 of 327 (508170)
05-11-2009 4:21 AM
Reply to: Message 256 by Peg
05-11-2009 1:53 AM


Re: Destruction of Jerusalem 70CE prophecy
Peg writes:
the very calendar used in most parts of the world is based on the year he is thought to have been born!
What the hell kind of evidence is that? Just because we use a calendar based om somebody's supposed date of birth (which, even IF he existed, is a few years of), is NOT evidence he actually did exist!

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Huntard
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Message 270 of 327 (508200)
05-11-2009 10:03 AM
Reply to: Message 262 by Peg
05-11-2009 5:39 AM


Re: Destruction of Jerusalem 70CE prophecy
Peg writes:
then its the greatest hoax of all time
Hoax? Using a calendar becasue you believe someone to be born at a specific date (which is wrong, by the way) is "the greatest hoax of all time"? I can think of much bigger hoaxes then planning a calenadar around a fictional chracters birth.
Peg, could you please explain to me that how on earth using a calendar using someone's supposed date of birth is in any conceivable way ANY proof that that person actually existed?

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Huntard
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Message 305 of 327 (508403)
05-13-2009 5:30 AM
Reply to: Message 303 by Peg
05-13-2009 5:00 AM


Re: Destruction of Jerusalem 70CE prophecy
Peg writes:
So perhaps you're right, we cant really use the use of a calendar to prove someone existed.
Yes, ONLY a calendar is not proof positive.
I see what you are saying though. We could ask the same thing about the Julian calendar. I know we are told that Julius Caesar devised it, but how do we even know he was a real person?
There is more evoidence that Julius existed then just that calendar, we have coins with his image, from the correct period (for example).

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Huntard
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Message 309 of 327 (508409)
05-13-2009 6:49 AM
Reply to: Message 306 by Peg
05-13-2009 5:34 AM


Re: Destruction of Jerusalem 70CE prophecy
Peg writes:
that may not have been his image... how do you know that it really was his image? Maybe there was no Julius Caesar.
Peg, there was a name on the coins as well, can you guess what that name was?
Read the wiki on him, much will become clear.

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Huntard
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Message 311 of 327 (508411)
05-13-2009 6:58 AM
Reply to: Message 304 by Peg
05-13-2009 5:21 AM


Re: Destruction of Jerusalem 70CE prophecy
Peg writes:
there is evidence that Jesus was a real person and not just a myth.
Not that I've seen.
Apart from my 'calender' post, there is Josephus the Jewish historian.
You admitted yourself a calendar proofs nothing. Josephus is controversial at the least, and forged at the worst.
So he wasnt a christian and cannot be accused of making it up to promote a 'myth'
In his writings about the goings on in Jerusalem he wrote about a certain man, James, who was arrested by the sanhedrin.
quote:
[The high priest Ananus] convened the judges of the Sanhedrin and brought before them a man named James, the brother of Jesus who was called the Christ, and certain others.
This confirms that Jesus, who was called the Christ was a real historical person.
Actually, the fact that Josephus remained a jew proofs he couldn't have written that.
The Roman historian Tacitus, who hated Christianity wrote after about Nero's persecution of the Christians in approx 100 ce.
quote:
Christus, the founder of the name, had undergone the death penalty in the reign of Tiberius, by sentence of the procurator Pontius Pilatus, and the pernicious superstition was checked for a moment, only to break out once more, not merely in Judaea, the home of the disease, but in the capital [Rome] itself.
You do realize Jesus isn't mentioned anywhere here do you? Christus is a title, not a name.
there is also Justin Martyr who wrote in the middle of the 2nd century about the death of Jesus:
quote:
That these things did happen, you can ascertain from the Acts of Pontius Pilate.
And of course, this is not proof either, first of all it's more then a century after the event, second, there are no known "acts of Pilate".
While the official records of Pontius Pilate no longer exist, they must have existed in the 2nd century, otherwise Justin Martyr would not have used them as evidence of what he was saying.
There could've been, but they could just as easily be forgeries.
this is just a few examples here, there is much more that provides evidence that Jesus was a real person... it should probably be for another thread though.
It should, and there isn't.

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