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Why is the Intelligent Designer so inept?

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Coragyps
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08-17-2008 3:07 PM 		Reply to: Message 152 by Coyote
08-17-2008 2:53 PM

Re: Provoking the designer
but at least they didn't create an arbitrary and capricious deity.
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Your namesake and his alter-ego Raven could be pretty capricious when the mood struck....
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Like when Coyote stole the Frog Women's vulva, f'rinstance.
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09-01-2008 11:49 AM 		Reply to: Message 162 by Buzsaw
09-01-2008 10:36 AM

Re: Provoking the designer
You forgot (12): avoid wearing clothing made of mixed fibres. Freakin' essential to a healthy life, Buz.
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What absurdity! Where the hell does the Pentateuch warn about high cholesterol? Or tell how to treat melanomas?
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"The wretched world lies now under the tyranny of foolishness; things are believed by Christians of such absurdity as no one ever could aforetime induce the heathen to believe." - Agobard of Lyons, ca. 830 AD
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04-14-2009 6:15 PM 		Reply to: Message 179 by JGBurgess
04-14-2009 6:54 AM

Hi, JG Burgess! My grandmother was a Burgess from Missouri! Welcome to EvC!
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We believe that the world before the Fall had no death, disease or suffering, as God proclaimed the finished creation "very good"
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Were Guinea worms, parasitoid wasps, lampreys, Plasmodium falciparum, liver flukes, ticks, and Loa loa worms created? If so, when? Or did they evolve after this Fall? If so, from what "very good" critters?
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05-07-2009 1:35 PM 		Reply to: Message 274 by traderdrew
05-07-2009 12:29 PM

Re: The Cambrain and I.D.
However, it seems to me that it is unlikely that all of the phylum got together and had a party and decided to become hard bodied.
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They didn't. Water chemistry changed, and more free oxygen showed up in the atmosphere, and metabolisms were able to evolve that included secreting shelly parts. I'll try to find some links tonight....
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05-11-2009 9:44 PM 		Reply to: Message 279 by traderdrew
05-11-2009 8:26 PM

Re: General Reply
Do you realize that this might be getting away from neo-Darwinism? If environmental factors induced rapid evolution of Cambrian species, where are the random mutations?
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The mutations go on all the time, with every generation. The environment does some of the selection. That's why neodarwinism is sometimes summarized as Random Mutation and Natural Selection.
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05-17-2009 1:39 PM 		Reply to: Message 304 by traderdrew
05-17-2009 12:53 PM

Re: General Reply
The sun is 400 times the Moon's diameter, and 400 times as far away.
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Well, very roughly. The sun's diameter is close to 400 times the moon's, but this year the sun's distance from earth ranges from 362 times to 425 times the moon's distance. A few hundred million years ago it was more like 500 times as far. And no, the layout of the Solar system doesn't suggest anything like design to me. Observation and modeling suggest the opposite - they suggest gravity at work over 4.5 billion years, shuffling things around and scattering billions of protoplanets off into deep space or into the sun.
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05-19-2009 5:16 PM 		Reply to: Message 325 by Taq
05-19-2009 4:56 PM

Re: On the Topic
this same designer was able to make the cephalopod eye without these trad-offs.
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That's just the cephalopod designer that knew that trick!
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