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Meldinoor
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Message 25 of 49 (510725)
06-03-2009 2:52 AM
Reply to: Message 24 by TheWhale
06-03-2009 1:34 AM


Re: Most anthropologists recognize that race is a social concept,
TheWhale writes:
1. race is not a cultural creation or merely a social concept
2. there are very real genetic differences between races, that is fact, so it is fair to say that it IS grounded in science
3. the genetic differences between races manifests in physical differences that a 3 year old child can recognize
Isn't there more genetic diversity within what most people consider a "race" than between "races". It seems to me I've heard that there is more diversity among Africans, which most people would consider one "race", than among all other races. Can anyone confirm this, or am I wrong?
My point is that a race is not defined other than culturally. Is Obama black, white, or somewhere in between? Most would say black, but many of his genes can be traced to Europe.
A child may be able to tell the difference between two skin colors, but can he tell the difference between sinhalese and tamils? Can he tell the difference between tutsis and hutus? Slavic and scandinavian? What I'm saying is that there is plenty of variation within culturally defined "races". Our definitions are not so much scientific, as superficial.

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Meldinoor
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Message 36 of 49 (510840)
06-04-2009 12:28 AM
Reply to: Message 35 by Taz
06-03-2009 6:32 PM


Actually, if they are sufficiently similar to us, I'd venture that Christians with a creationist viewpoint would be the first to offer them human rights. After all, they believe Neanderthals were simply humans with some superficial differences, and that "hobbits" (homo floresiensis) were individuals with microcephaly.
Creationist arguments:
http://www.answersingenesis.org/...2008/03/06/return-hobbits
http://www.answersingenesis.org/...on/v16/i2/neanderthal.asp
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Ecclesiastes 3:18-20
18 I also thought, "As for men, God tests them so that they may see that they are like the animals. 19 Man's fate is like that of the animals; the same fate awaits them both: As one dies, so dies the other. All have the same breath [b] ; man has no advantage over the animal. Everything is meaningless. 20 All go to the same place; all come from dust, and to dust all return.

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Meldinoor
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Message 38 of 49 (510842)
06-04-2009 12:50 AM
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06-04-2009 12:38 AM


That's true. They could go to the opposite extreme and treat Homo Erectus just like some new species of chimp. However, this is unlikely. Homo Erectus is a lot closer related to us than any living animal, and calling them animals would only blur the line too much for their gullible followers.
People would ask, what then constitutes a human? And Creationists would be hard pressed to find definitive differences of quality, not just scale, between us and the Homo Erectus. I think they'd just take the easy way out and call them microcephalic humans.
One of the Answers in Genesis articles I cited in my last post states:
But regardless of their stature, all people are descendants of Adam, created in the image of Godwhich also explains the hobbits’ apparent use of fire, stone tools, and hunting.
Explains their use of "hunting"? Are lions descended from Adam too?

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Meldinoor
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Message 40 of 49 (510844)
06-04-2009 1:12 AM
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06-04-2009 12:58 AM


Charles Darwin writes:
Nevertheless the difference in mind between man and the higher animals, great as it is, certainly is one of degree and not of kind.
Darwin on Mental Continuity
We'd find out if Darwin was right about the above statement. I'd also be fascinated to see whether spiritual development was a gradual process (would Homo Erectus be superstitious or religious) or something that happened recently in our history. I think this would have profound implications for theologians.
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