Register | Sign In


Understanding through Discussion


EvC Forum active members: 65 (9162 total)
2 online now:
Newest Member: popoi
Post Volume: Total: 915,817 Year: 3,074/9,624 Month: 919/1,588 Week: 102/223 Day: 0/13 Hour: 0/0


Thread  Details

Email This Thread
Newer Topic | Older Topic
  
Author Topic:   The Miller-Urey experiments
Dr Jack
Member
Posts: 3514
From: Immigrant in the land of Deutsch
Joined: 07-14-2003
Member Rating: 8.7


Message 9 of 26 (510751)
06-03-2009 9:07 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by bluegenes
06-03-2009 8:39 AM


Re: Pasteur's law
Curious about this paper, purporting to be funded by the "The Origin of Life Science Foundation" I did a spot of googling about them and found this curious webpage, which includes the lines:
quote:
The Origin-of-Life Science Foundation should not be confused with "creation science"or "intelligent design" groups.
quote:
The Foundation believes that advisors' personal metaphysical persuasions are none of our business.
Strange disclaimers for a genuine science based foundation.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 8 by bluegenes, posted 06-03-2009 8:39 AM bluegenes has not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 11 by Wounded King, posted 06-03-2009 9:29 AM Dr Jack has not replied

  
Dr Jack
Member
Posts: 3514
From: Immigrant in the land of Deutsch
Joined: 07-14-2003
Member Rating: 8.7


Message 15 of 26 (510808)
06-03-2009 4:01 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by Percy
06-03-2009 1:41 PM


Re: Pasteur's law
Anyone interested in trying to cobble together a paper we could submit to this "journal", just to see how rigorous their standards and peer review are? Sort of along the lines of Alan Sokal?
I don't think the IJMS deserves the scare quotes on that. Look through the other articles published in their Origin of Life issue and I think you'll see most of them (at least to my casual glance) are sound enough. It may not have the highest impact factor in the world; but I think it's a fairly legitimate journal that published a bad article perhaps because they wanted a more philosophical piece to take a broader and less positive overview to the other articles.
Edited by Mr Jack, : No reason given.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 13 by Percy, posted 06-03-2009 1:41 PM Percy has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 16 by Percy, posted 06-04-2009 10:23 AM Dr Jack has replied

  
Dr Jack
Member
Posts: 3514
From: Immigrant in the land of Deutsch
Joined: 07-14-2003
Member Rating: 8.7


Message 17 of 26 (510885)
06-04-2009 11:27 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by Percy
06-04-2009 10:23 AM


Re: Pasteur's law
They seem to be adding more articles to that "issue", two news ones have appeared since I first linked.
I've just read through The Eukaryotic Cell Originated in the Integration and Redistribution of Hyperstructures from Communities of Prokaryotic Cells Based on Molecular Complementarity by Vic Norris and Robert Root-Bernstein. I don't know, I don't think what they're proposing is vastly unreasonable and it seems largely coherent, although the paper does seem to be light on evidence and terribly speculative, it's not entirely unique in that.
Perhaps I'm just less sensitive than you to quack, or more willing to assume the best of things.
Looking over the page of editors, there seem to be a decent number of people from respectable - if not absolute top tier - institutions such as Portsmouth, Potsdam and Basel.
(It's also indexed by INSPEC, which seems to indicate some degree of credibility)
Edited by Mr Jack, : No reason given.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 16 by Percy, posted 06-04-2009 10:23 AM Percy has not replied

  
Dr Jack
Member
Posts: 3514
From: Immigrant in the land of Deutsch
Joined: 07-14-2003
Member Rating: 8.7


Message 19 of 26 (510891)
06-04-2009 12:53 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by bluegenes
06-04-2009 11:57 AM


Re: Pasteur's law
Oh. Yeah, that one's a bit special, isn't it?

This message is a reply to:
 Message 18 by bluegenes, posted 06-04-2009 11:57 AM bluegenes has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 20 by bluegenes, posted 06-04-2009 1:02 PM Dr Jack has not replied
 Message 21 by bluegenes, posted 06-04-2009 1:36 PM Dr Jack has replied

  
Dr Jack
Member
Posts: 3514
From: Immigrant in the land of Deutsch
Joined: 07-14-2003
Member Rating: 8.7


Message 22 of 26 (510896)
06-04-2009 1:42 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by bluegenes
06-04-2009 1:36 PM


Re: Pasteur's law
It might be better to look at stuff outside the OOL section if we wanted to judge the journal, because OOL is inevitably going to involve lots of speculative ideas. But this paper wasn't nutty.
Good point.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 21 by bluegenes, posted 06-04-2009 1:36 PM bluegenes has not replied

  
Dr Jack
Member
Posts: 3514
From: Immigrant in the land of Deutsch
Joined: 07-14-2003
Member Rating: 8.7


Message 24 of 26 (511023)
06-05-2009 4:46 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by Matt P
06-05-2009 4:43 PM


Re: IJMS is not that impressive
Thanks for that Matt
Might I ask what your paper was? Assuming it was published in the end?

This message is a reply to:
 Message 23 by Matt P, posted 06-05-2009 4:43 PM Matt P has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 25 by Matt P, posted 06-05-2009 5:26 PM Dr Jack has replied

  
Dr Jack
Member
Posts: 3514
From: Immigrant in the land of Deutsch
Joined: 07-14-2003
Member Rating: 8.7


Message 26 of 26 (511188)
06-07-2009 2:45 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by Matt P
06-05-2009 5:26 PM


Thank you
Thanks Matt. I have access to most journals via the OU so I'll look those up when I get time

This message is a reply to:
 Message 25 by Matt P, posted 06-05-2009 5:26 PM Matt P has not replied

  
Newer Topic | Older Topic
Jump to:


Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved

™ Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024