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Theodoric
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Message 35 of 133 (510287)
05-29-2009 3:07 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by Minority Report
05-29-2009 1:42 PM


Re: Interesting
common ploy of attacking YEC scientists credentials.
Show their credentials.
but on whether their argument itself is valid.
The arguments have been proven to not be valid. Look up the term PRATT. There I even gave you a link. No matter how many ways they try to repackage them the arguments are proven time and time again to not be valid. Give us one argument they have that is valid. Just one.
Because I believe history has demonstrated, that any new concept/theory is introduced to society through one person, or small group, and usually finds much opposition from the educated people of the day.
They do not have new theories. They are rehashing theories from the bronze age.
Creationist: "I cannot understand why that particular natural phenomenon is the way it is."
IDer: "I agree I can not conceive of a simple answer for that phenomenon"
Creationist: "God did it"
Ider: "No, the intelligent designer(which we believe is the god of the christian bible, even though we try to keep that hidden) did it."
All I was trying to say, was that after reading a number of books, I then discovered that evolution did not have all the answers yet,
Gee, that would make it what? Science? Science does not claim to have all the answers. Only religion makes such a claim.
and there were a number of serious problems yet to overcome.
So tell us what those problems are.
the evidence, what you 'see', does fit your theory. I hope you can at least attempt to do the same, for my theory.
Do you know what a scientific theory is? YEC may be a theory in a broad sense of the word but it is not a SCIENTIFIC theory. How about doing some research on that before you start equivocating.
Links to make things easy since it is my experience that YECers refuse to do even the most basic research before they attack evolution.
Scientific Theory
Equivocation

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Theodoric
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Message 37 of 133 (510290)
05-29-2009 3:22 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by bluescat48
05-29-2009 3:10 PM


Re: Interesting
You YECs are always saying there is much evidence for a young earth, but you never present any. So again I ask, what is this evidence?
It is the same evidence fundies have for everything you question them on. Faith and faith alone.

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Theodoric
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Message 51 of 133 (510473)
05-31-2009 3:59 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by Minority Report
05-29-2009 1:42 PM


Bump fo Minority Report
Any chance may address any of my points I made in Message 35?
You made a number of claims and assertions that you have not backed up at all. Maybe address at least one?
From Message 48
Minority Report writes:
I just don't bother answering other posts simply because of their tone. I've learned that it's just not worth it. Some may see this as evading tough questions. No, just evading abuse.
So if I expect evidence I am being agressive and abusive? People can spout all day long. The true test is providing evidence for assertions. No matter what you claim it is evading the tough questions.
Edited by Theodoric, : Added msg 48 comment

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Theodoric
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Message 82 of 133 (510871)
06-04-2009 9:07 AM
Reply to: Message 78 by Meldinoor
06-03-2009 11:41 PM


I disagree with your characterization of Minority Report. He/she refuses to answer the tough questions. I have asked twice for evidence for assertions made in Message 32, with no response. This is neither courteous or open minded. This is deceitful and hiding. If a person wants to make assertions they need to be ready to back them up with evidence. I have seen NO evidence from Minority Report. MR has shown condescension by his behaviour and lack of answers to questions about his sources.
From Message 48
Minority Report writes:
I just don't bother answering other posts simply because of their tone. I've learned that it's just not worth it. Some may see this as evading tough questions. No, just evading abuse.
This shows a lack of attempt and/or ability to debate openly. This also shows a attitude of condescension, because of the belief that anyone would question him is out of line. If you can't back up your assertions, don't make them in the first place.
"evolutionists" is a bad term. I am no more an evolutionist than I am a gravitationist or atomicist or germist. Belief in science and the scientific method is right and proper. I

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Theodoric
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Message 84 of 133 (510883)
06-04-2009 11:15 AM
Reply to: Message 83 by Minority Report
06-04-2009 10:54 AM


Minority Report writes:
Back to your statement that 'God could have made it clear in the rocks'. I believe that He has,
ANY evidence to support this? Remember you are in a Science Forum, so assertions should be backed with some sort of evidence.
Minority Report writes:
but if scientists disregard the flood they will never see it, and if you accept these naturalistic conclusions as fact, neither will you.
So you feel scientists should ignore the facts? Reminds me of an old saying.
"Don't confuse me with the facts my mind is made up"

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Message 98 of 133 (511201)
06-07-2009 9:21 PM
Reply to: Message 91 by Minority Report
06-07-2009 1:45 AM


Re: OK, guy ...
only posted that link due to a repeated call for evidence, to get people off my back so to speak,
It ain't evidence.
I am still waiting on numerous requests for evidence on your numerous assertions. As I expected. You have none.

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Theodoric
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Message 102 of 133 (511235)
06-08-2009 1:39 PM
Reply to: Message 101 by Son
06-08-2009 1:06 PM


Just to come back on topic, can we conclude that for every people that have reacted so far, the bible is needed to arrive at YEC? If we all agree on that (it's the impression that this discussion gave me), then we can move to other topics? (in other threads)
I agree. By virtue of the definition of what YEC is, and what YEcers believe there can be no YEC without the bible.

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Message 104 of 133 (511257)
06-08-2009 5:04 PM
Reply to: Message 103 by Capt Stormfield
06-08-2009 4:34 PM


I agree but that is not the Young Earth Creationism we are talking about. YEC is a specific fundamentalist christian construct. YECers would dismiss the aboriginal stories as myth and folklore. Only their biblical story can be the true story in their eyes.

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Theodoric
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Message 107 of 133 (511279)
06-08-2009 8:23 PM
Reply to: Message 106 by Rahvin
06-08-2009 5:35 PM


I refer you to Message 105 and the OP
Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.

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