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onifre Member (Idle past 2973 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
Hi traste,
Iam,paying that is why I was able to asked excellent question. No you are not! You asked for a fossil that was an intermediate form between fish and amphibians, you asked that question in a reply to a post that gave you the intermediate fossils that you were requesting. Now, either you don't actually care to see the fossils or you don't think it represents an intermediate form. If you don't think it does represent an intermediate form, then explain why, and be specific. What is it about that fossil that I linked for you that you feel does not represent an intermediate form between fish and amphibian?
And what is your evidence the lung fish? Here is the fossil THAT YOU REQUESTED...again: Tiktaali Here's the quote...again:
quote: What a wishful speculations and boundless optimsm! Do you think your bounless optism would turned those primative fish into amphibians? My optimism hopes to turn *you* into someone who actually reads links and provides an intelligent argument for or against the evidence. But I'm slowly becoming pessimistic about that...
mammals become humans I'm not going to reply to your ridiculous questions, however, are you saying that humans are not mammals?
Actually, Im notignorant of this subject butI guess you are.
Perhaps, but you have failed to show how and where I'm being ignorant. - Oni If it's true that our species is alone in the universe, then I'd have to say that the universe aimed rather low and settled for very little. ~George Carlin
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Peg Member (Idle past 4952 days) Posts: 2703 From: melbourne, australia Joined: |
AZPaul3 writes: Well, as one data point in the argument against such a creation there are these facts of the first appearance of these "kinds": amoeba "kind" - Achaean periodplant and fish "kinds" - Vendian period arthropod "kind" - Pre-Cambrian period amphibian "kind" - Devonian period reptile "kind" - Carboniferous period mammal "kind" - Triassic period ignorant creationist "kind" - Cenozoic period Seems to me that if these "kinds" were created at the beginning then we should see all of them in the Achaean period. your list above has no conflict with the bible account. the Genesis account merely covers the major events in a progressive way, describing what things were formed, the order in which they were formed and the time interval, or 'day,' in which each first appeared. it was the 1st and 2nd creative periods or 'days' that speak of the atmosphere being created and the dry land being brought together into one place then it was the in the 3rd creative period that three broad categories of land plants appeared. "Let the earth cause grass to shoot forth, vegetation bearing seed, fruit trees yielding fruit according to their kinds..." in the 5th creative period or 'day' came first the sea creatures, then the flying creatures. "Let the waters swarm forth a swarm of living souls and let flying creatures fly over the earth upon the face of the expanse of the heavens" finally it was the 6th creative period or 'day' that land animals began to appear...the last of them being 'mankind'"Let the earth put forth living souls according to their kinds, domestic animal and moving animal and wild beast of the earth according to its kind." so isnt this order of creation is in line with scientific fact...if not whats missing ?
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lyx2no Member (Idle past 4738 days) Posts: 1277 From: A vast, undifferentiated plane. Joined: |
so isnt this order of creation is in line with scientific fact...if not whats missing ? No. Birds do not come before land animals. Land plants do not come before sea creatures. AZPaul3's list (no number 36,996) does conflict with the biblical account. The biblical account has nothing in common with reality. It won't even shoehorn into reality. Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them. Thomas Jefferson
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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4212 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: |
Peg writes: AZPaul3 writes:
then it was the in the 3rd creative period that three broad categories of land plants appeared. "Let the earth cause grass to shoot forth, vegetation bearing seed, fruit trees yielding fruit according to their kinds..." plant and fish "kinds" - Vendian period Except for the fact that the "Vendian" plants were not land plants.The land plants first appear no earlier than the Devonian Edited by bluescat48, : typo There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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Peg Member (Idle past 4952 days) Posts: 2703 From: melbourne, australia Joined: |
lyx2no writes: Birds do not come before land animals. have you got any references I can go to that explains this? genesis lists 10 major stages in this order: 1a beginning to the universe2a primitive earth in darkness and enshrouded in heavy gases and water 3light 4an expanse or atmosphere 5large areas of dry land 6land plants of all sorts 7sun, moon and stars discernible, and seasons begin 8sea creatures and flying creatures 9wild and tame beasts, mammals 10mankind what's illogical or impossible about this order? Its seems like it could work. Light would need to come before plants. Plants would need to come before animals
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Peg Member (Idle past 4952 days) Posts: 2703 From: melbourne, australia Joined: |
bluescat48 writes: Except for the fact that the "Vendian" plants were not land plants.The land plants first appear no earlier than the Devonian but the genesis account does not specify the specific types of plants. It simply presents the order of the major groups as they appeared. it says only they appeared on 'earth' and does not specify whether is they appeared on the land under the seas or land above.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8536 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
so isnt this order of creation is in line with scientific fact...if not whats missing ? Other than reality? The time periods involved. This was a specific answer to a specific question. Read the OP. And when you re-read my response keep your tongue pressed firmly against your cheek. Edited by AZPaul3, : Felt the burning need.
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lyx2no Member (Idle past 4738 days) Posts: 1277 From: A vast, undifferentiated plane. Joined: |
have you got any references I can go to that explains this? You've go to be pulling my leg. Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them. Thomas Jefferson
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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4212 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: |
Peg writes: but the genesis account does not specify the specific types of plants. It simply presents the order of the major groups as they appeared.Gen1:11 writes: And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so It would seem that this would mean plants on land. Edited by bluescat48, : missing line There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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Peg Member (Idle past 4952 days) Posts: 2703 From: melbourne, australia Joined: |
lyx2no writes: You've go to be pulling my leg. havnt you heard there are no stupid questions, only stupid answers
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Peg Member (Idle past 4952 days) Posts: 2703 From: melbourne, australia Joined: |
bluescat writes: And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so It would seem that this would mean plants on land. it only says 'earth' as far as i'm aware, the land under the sea is still part of the earth unless scientists have decided otherwise there are many diffferent types of plants that yield seed and a fruit tree isnt confined to apples and oranges.
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lyx2no Member (Idle past 4738 days) Posts: 1277 From: A vast, undifferentiated plane. Joined: |
havnt you heard there are no stupid questions, only stupid answers You asked for a reference on land animals preceding birds. How' does ICR strike you?
"A favorite evolutionary claim these days is that land-dwelling dinosaurs evolved into birds. What does the Bible say? Birds on Day Five and land animals on Day Six." John D. Morris, Ph.D. Edited by lyx2no, : Punc. Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them. Thomas Jefferson
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi cat,
Peg this is also for you.
bluescat48 writes: Peg writes: but the genesis account does not specify the specific types of plants. It simply presents the order of the major groups as they appeared.Gen1:11 writes:
It would seem that this would mean plants on land. And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so It also says that the plants came from the seed which was already upon the earth. Where did those seed come from? Could it have been the plants God made in Genesis 2:9 produced the seed that God refered to in Genesis 1:11. That would solve the problem as the only thing created on earth before those plants was one man. Yea I know that makes things be out of order. But hey man has been arranging things in the wrong order since the beginning of time. But to the title of the topic 'A Logical account of creation'. If things were created by God. I believe they were. The plants had to be created before they could produce seed. Therefore the seed in Genesis 1:11 had to come from the plants created in Genesis 2:9. Because it is not said God created the seed of the plants. Is that Logical? God Bless, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi lyx2no,
lyx2no writes: You asked for a reference on land animals preceding birds. How' does ICR strike you? "A favorite evolutionary claim these days is that land-dwelling dinosaurs evolved into birds.What does the Bible say? Birds on Day Five and land animals on Day Six." John D. Morris, Ph.D. Who says ICR or Mr Morris is correct in what they believe? Especially when they disagree with what the Bible says. Everything was created in the first light period,(as recorded in Genesis 2:4 through Genesis 4:24) that ended with the evening found in Genesis 1:2 as darkness had come. In verse 5 God declares that evening and the end of that darkness the following morning as the first day. Then the six days of Moses is described. God Bless, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi Peg,
Peg writes: havnt you heard there are no stupid questions, only stupid answers cavediver told me the only stupid question is the question that is never asked. I agree with him. God Bless, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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