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subbie Member (Idle past 1255 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: |
Apparently part of the course credit for classes on Intelligent Design at the Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary is a requirement that the student
provide at least 10 posts defending ID that you’ve made on “hostile” websites, the posts totalling 2,000 words, along with the URLs (i.e., web links) to each post link Now, I was a liberal arts guy in college, so I can't speak from personal experience, but I highly doubt that any real science courses in which one gets a real science education at a real university or college has any similar course requirement. It seems that the Wedge Strategy is still alive. Edited by subbie, : Noun change in title Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
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Admin Director Posts: 12998 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
Thread copied here from the Creo troll recruiting center thread in the Proposed New Topics forum.
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Taz Member (Idle past 3291 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
This would explain a lot. Here we get waves of creo trolls, and they all seem to come at relatively the same times.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
Evidently they don't have to show the responses that destroy their arguments. Then again I am sure that Dembski and his ilk do not care at all what the responses are. All that is important to them is to get the propaganda out.
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subbie Member (Idle past 1255 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: |
Might be interesting to chart their activity, see how many of them simply disappear after 20 posts. Or, when we get a few showing up at the same time, ask them if they're getting course credit.
Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
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subbie Member (Idle past 1255 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: |
Well, part of the Wedge Strategy is Publicity and Opinion-Making. I can see how they'd think that this sort of thing would further that goal. On the other hand, one would think they'd be more likely to make opinions if they went to websites where there weren't dozens of people to counter each point they posted. But I suppose by going to "hostile" websites, they imagine that they're creating evidence of a controversy that needs to be taught.
You know, the more I think about it, the more sense that makes. They know that they're not going to create any controversy in legitimate, professional publications. About the only avenue left for them is teh interwebs. And that would have the added advantage of being considerably more accessible to the general public than professional publications. Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
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Dr Jack Member Posts: 3514 From: Immigrant in the land of Deutsch Joined: Member Rating: 8.7 |
That whole page is a goldmine of hilarity, try downloading the final "exam" for the apologetics course and having a giggle.
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anglagard Member (Idle past 836 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined: |
Back when jar was an admin here, he told me in chat that the amount of new member/drive by YEC's directly correlated with the latest release of some 'Christian home school' lesson plans.
We should see some truly awful examples of reasoning in short order in the usual suspect forums, perhaps including here. The idea of the sacred is quite simply one of the most conservative notions in any culture, because it seeks to turn other ideas - uncertainty, progress, change - into crimes. Salman Rushdie This rudderless world is not shaped by vague metaphysical forces. It is not God who kills the children. Not fate that butchers them or destiny that feeds them to the dogs. It’s us. Only us. - the character Rorschach in Watchmen
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Dr Jack Member Posts: 3514 From: Immigrant in the land of Deutsch Joined: Member Rating: 8.7 |
Thinking about it, I don't think branding these Cdesign propentists as trolls is valid. A troll seeks to cause flamewars for his own amusement, to rile and annoy, for no purpose other than the kick of winding someone up. These guys won't to save our souls, and spread the truth.
It's only a pity they've been so repeatedly lied to they couldn't recognide the truth if it bit them on the arse.
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Parasomnium Member Posts: 2224 Joined: |
And while we're at it: could everybody please refrain from using the word 'proponentist'? The proper word is 'proponent', as opposed to 'opponent'.
"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science." - Charles Darwin.
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cavediver Member (Idle past 3643 days) Posts: 4129 From: UK Joined: |
please refrain from using the word 'proponentist'? The proper word is 'proponent', as opposed to 'opponent'. Oh dear, somebody please explain
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Huntard Member (Idle past 2295 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: |
Parasomnium writes:
We know. THEY wrote it like that themselves in "Of Pandas And People". Look it up in the Kitzmiller v. Dover case. We're just doing it to poke fun at them. And while we're at it: could everybody please refrain from using the word 'proponentist'? The proper word is 'proponent', as opposed to 'opponent'. I hunt for the truth
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lyx2no Member (Idle past 4716 days) Posts: 1277 From: A vast, undifferentiated plane. Joined: |
The predecessor textbook to Of Pandas and People freely used the word "creationist" to discribe the adherents of the belief. When creationism was ruled a religious belief rather then a science to be taught along with evolution the publishers, rather then scrapping the book, edited it by replacing "creationist" with "design proponents".
During the Dover trial, mentioned by Huntard, the ID'ists claimed that they were driven to this belief by the scientific evidence alone as explained in the ID'ist text Of Pandas and People, and that they had nothing to do with the earlier religious belief: creationism. Therefore, ID should be taught along with the ToE in science classes. Someone going through the book, however, found a transcription error ” itself ironic” where "creationist" had not been completely swiped and the insertion of "design proponent" only replace the "reation" leaving "cdesign proponetist" proving that ID was a direct, evolutionary descendent of Creationism; therefore, having no place in a science classroom. AbE: I agree with the objection to "Troll", BTW. Edited by lyx2no, : e Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them. - Thomas Jefferson
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Parasomnium Member Posts: 2224 Joined: |
cavediver writes: Oh dear, somebody please explain Damn, do I feel like a pedantist all of a sudden!
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cavediver Member (Idle past 3643 days) Posts: 4129 From: UK Joined: |
Don't worry, I read most of Peanuts as a child, not having a clue what c'mon meant - I though it was someone's name
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