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Author Topic:   ICANT'S position in the creation debate
Sasuke
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Message 197 of 687 (521557)
08-27-2009 9:40 PM
Reply to: Message 192 by Rahvin
08-27-2009 6:00 PM


Re: Information please
Rahvin,
I am not sure that he doesn't understand the analogy. I think he is just trying to get through to you his perspective and chooses to argue rather than communicate, directly(hence i disagree and the like), that he disagrees.
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Message 227 of 687 (521749)
08-28-2009 8:37 PM
Reply to: Message 199 by cavediver
08-28-2009 6:13 AM


Re: Beach Ball Dimensions
cavediver,
cavediver writes:
I'm not talking about the origin of the time dimension (T=0), which most would point to as a moment of creation.
Would our undertanding of time not change if string theory is theorized? I think so...
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Message 228 of 687 (521750)
08-28-2009 8:50 PM
Reply to: Message 213 by ICANT
08-28-2009 3:49 PM


Re: Information please
ICANT,
ICANT writes:
experience time
Entropy, change, and decomposition are physical properties of time. Time measures these qualities and as such that is the major issue with T=0. You can experience all three of these properties via experience or death. If you are an old man you should be well aware of the affect of time. When was the last time you had a physical? I still think you are aware of these variables but you just like to argue.

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Message 229 of 687 (521751)
08-28-2009 8:53 PM
Reply to: Message 208 by lyx2no
08-28-2009 1:05 PM


Re: Information please
lyx2no,
lyx2no writes:
The distance between two objects is not made of a material as one understands materials
What about the very fabric of space?
Edited by Sasuke, : add - clarity

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Message 230 of 687 (521753)
08-28-2009 9:02 PM
Reply to: Message 223 by Perdition
08-28-2009 6:14 PM


Re: Information please
Perdition,
I missunderstood your point at first. Bump this msg.
Edited by Sasuke, : mistake

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Message 232 of 687 (521756)
08-28-2009 9:11 PM
Reply to: Message 231 by ICANT
08-28-2009 9:05 PM


Re: Information please
ICANT,
however your memories of your wife, your kids, lost loved ones, and so on should def remind you of change, entropy, death, all properties of this symbolic meaning "time".
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ICANT,
ICANT writes:
At 70 I am well aware of the effects of the passing of time.
But I have never experienced time.
This is contradictory in nature. Are you mad?
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Message 234 of 687 (521762)
08-28-2009 9:46 PM
Reply to: Message 233 by ICANT
08-28-2009 9:37 PM


Re: Information please
ICANT,
ICANT writes:
But really all those things you talk about is the effects of passing time, which is a lot of now's, or should I just say existence, as that is what it is.
How is passing existence in the now? why has your body changed? how are you 70?
I will agree with you that the word "time" is an invention of man. However the concept of TIME is the best "model" if there is such a thing that conceptually is a better understanding of things that were and are, esp from a measurement perspective.
Edited by Sasuke, : word change..
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Message 245 of 687 (521844)
08-29-2009 4:24 PM
Reply to: Message 244 by Straggler
08-29-2009 3:38 PM


Re: Information please
straggler,
Ok I will agree that time and math have existed as long as our universe has existed.
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Edited by Sasuke, : clarity

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Message 247 of 687 (521848)
08-29-2009 4:43 PM
Reply to: Message 246 by Straggler
08-29-2009 4:30 PM


Re: Information please
Straggler,
I edited my last post.
Edited by Sasuke, : edit

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Message 351 of 687 (522765)
09-04-2009 6:18 PM
Reply to: Message 350 by Teapots&unicorns
09-04-2009 6:14 PM


Re: time
ICANT,
from a philosophical perspective sure time could not exist but from a scientific perspective, based on current models, time is a product of the universe. Sure time variations or understandings could change but that does not change that based on science time is a product of the universe.

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Message 354 of 687 (522768)
09-04-2009 6:25 PM
Reply to: Message 353 by Modulous
09-04-2009 6:20 PM


Re: time
Mod,
I wonder what he will do when the gravitons escape, if they do, from our spacetime during the LHC experiment.
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Message 377 of 687 (523127)
09-08-2009 3:01 PM
Reply to: Message 362 by ICANT
09-07-2009 6:22 PM


Re: time
ICANT,
yes and by that definition you have experienced "duration". So you have experienced TIME since that is the def of time.

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Message 378 of 687 (523130)
09-08-2009 3:09 PM
Reply to: Message 375 by mike the wiz
09-08-2009 2:47 PM


mike the wiz,
I dont know if I understand you correctly but it seems that you are claiming that abiogenesis is unlikely. You do realize that abiogenesis would be simply life coming from non life. The idea of abiogenesis actually does support the assertion of their being a god. So why would you argue it?

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Message 382 of 687 (523138)
09-08-2009 3:51 PM
Reply to: Message 380 by mike the wiz
09-08-2009 3:32 PM


mike,
The idea with abiogenesis is that simply biological life came from non biological life. The genesis account in the bible can be interpreted many differnt ways but if you narrow it down to just the literal interpretations you prob still have many different ways.
So the "abiogenesis" concept does support the position of genesis in the Bible. In short, if god is biological it denies abiogenesis however if god is not biological then abiogenesis is supported by the bible even from a literal standpoint. So it depends on your view of GOD but in that case if you're asserting god is biological I would like to see how a biological life can live an eternity.

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Message 385 of 687 (523141)
09-08-2009 3:59 PM
Reply to: Message 383 by ICANT
09-08-2009 3:53 PM


Re: Talking about
ICANT,
if you cant dispute duration then you cant dispute time.

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