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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
Hyroglyphx responds to me:
quote: By allowing for the fact that said parent or teacher just might be wrong. By understanding that children are naturally like this and not exploiting it for their own purposes. Just because someone is gullible doesn't mean you have to prey upon it.
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
ochaye writes:
quote: Huh? Where on earth do you find anything even remotely approaching that? Are you saying Christians are incapable of raising children without abusing them? You do understand that most skeptics were raised in households headed by religious people, yes? Of course parents teach their children in their vision of ethics, morality, faith, etc., but when you know the child is incapable of questioning what you say, is dependent upon you for existence, and will do or say anything to please you, then you hold a great responsibility in your hands and you must tread carefully. Do you really think an eight-year-old is in any position to shout at anybody regarding hell? Rrhain Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
ochaye writes:
quote: "In your view"? Are you trying to tell us that you have divine powers to recognize who is and who is not a Christian? You do know what the "no true Scotsman" fallacy is, yes? Rrhain Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
ochaye responds to me:
quote: I'm sorry, was there a rebuttal in there somewhere? And all the more ironic, you're complaining about my not having a rebuttal. So rather than actually discuss the question at hand, you'd rather play a game of "Woe is me." Get down off the cross, already. We need the wood. Hint: You still show yourself to be incapable of understanding why emotional manipulation of a person incapable of granting consent, dependent upon the one "teaching" him, and in no position to contradict the authority is not exactly a "good" thing. If it were anybody else, we'd call it "torture."
quote:quote: Non sequitur. Please rephrase. Let's try it again, shall we? Who is denying hell?
quote:quote: Where is your evidence of lying? You have divine knowledge as to who is and who is not lying when it comes to the question of god's will?
quote: Oh, I see...when faced with the prospect of putting up or shutting up, it becomes extremely difficult to actually respond with anything coherent and thus an attempt to turn it around and cry about oppression and "ad hominem" attacks become the only defense left for the response that is made to me. Will an answer to the questions be forthcoming or should we expect nothing but deflection and avoidance from now on? Who is denying hell? You have the ability to determine who is and who isn't a Christian? Why should we believe you over them? Rrhain Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.
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ochaye Member (Idle past 5239 days) Posts: 307 Joined: |
quote:There you are, Percy. Those evangelicals don't indoctrinate their children.
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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4190 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: |
By a Christian, in your view? Let's see. It was in a Christian Church School. I guess that it would have been by a Christian, there is no evidence that the school was infiltrated by any other group. Edited by bluescat48, : sp Edited by bluescat48, : ditto There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4190 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: |
So just as long as they can question what truth is, then someone can instruct and it would not be considered indoctrination? That is the point. They told you what the "Truth" was. Whether it is or not is irrelevant, you could not question it. The point this is the truth, that's it, no questions allowed. That, in my book, is indoctrination. There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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ochaye Member (Idle past 5239 days) Posts: 307 Joined: |
quote:How did you know that?
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member |
Just because someone is gullible doesn't mean you have to prey upon it. It seems like "preying" to you because you have an aversion towards it, but the people who are allegedly preying don't see it that way. That's the problem. The people telling their kids about the rapture think they are doing them a huge favor. People such as yourself, however, feel those people are causing tremendous harm. "The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms." - Samual Adams
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ochaye Member (Idle past 5239 days) Posts: 307 Joined: |
quote: Why do they feel that?
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Percy Member Posts: 22394 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
This thread asks whether evangelical indoctrination during childhood is responsible for the uncompassionate, unempathetic and inflexible attitudes of adult evangelicals that they excuse by claiming that God makes the rules and they're just following them.
Please find other threads if you're not posting on this topic. Thanks. --Percy
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ochaye Member (Idle past 5239 days) Posts: 307 Joined: |
Somebody must have asked a difficult question. Or two.
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Percy Member Posts: 22394 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
Hi Ochave,
Please stop posting one line messages. This is a discussion board, not a chat room. If topics have emerged here that you would like to discuss but that do not fit into this particular thread, please propose new topics over at Proposed New Topics. --Percy
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ochaye Member (Idle past 5239 days) Posts: 307 Joined: |
quote: So is it true that a one line message = chat? Is the above chat? Is this thread the Wonderland that Alice fell into? Let's grow up, eh? Don't try to rescue other posters, Percy, you started an aggressive thread, you sowed the wind, and you don't like the consequences. So just wait for us to know how we know who Christians are (and Rrhain says it's not so easy), and why the concept of rapture is harmful. Both questions that are bang on topic, and ones that you should be interested in seeing the answers to; if not actually providing answers, which would be something unusual, from you. Why you jumped in when everyone else was on topic is a mystery.
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cavediver Member (Idle past 3644 days) Posts: 4129 From: UK Joined: |
ochaye, let's not beat around the bush - you are making yourself look like a complete twat. You are the one claiming that these various Christians mentioned are not in fact Christian. You have claimed that there is no such thing as an evangelical creationist. Well, I know personally several hundred who are, including senior members of the UK Evangelical Alliance. If you want to make these absurd claims it is up to you to provide your rationale, not for us to guess.
Edited by cavediver, : No reason given.
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