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Arphy
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Message 77 of 120 (524044)
09-14-2009 9:17 AM
Reply to: Message 75 by Peg
09-14-2009 8:19 AM


Re: Please Stay On Topic
Oh Dear.
Message 57
Just how long ago the universe was created is not stated in the Bible.
"And he answering said to them, ‘Did ye not read, that He who made them, from the beginning a male and a female made them," Mt 19:4
please note "the beginning". Also Mr 10:6 "but from the beginning of the creation, a male and a female God did make them;" i.e. the beginning and the creation of Adam and Eve are around the same time period.
These days have to do, not with the creation of earth’s matter or material, but with the arranging and preparing of it for habitation.
What basis do have for saying this? None.
Message 63
Peg, you didn't answer coragyps' question at all. Mainly because there is no logical way of doing it.
It was an existing planet along with all the other planets in the universe
What the...??? Again, what is your basis for this? None.
Message 64
The verses in genesis are very specific and they are refering to two different times.
Again, completly baseless.
Message 70
And science has also added to an improved understanding...many people who study the bible have taken on board that the earth was not made in 6 literal days and they fully accept science in this regard. The improved understanding of hebrew reinforces it and vice versa.
I don't care if people take on board what evolutionists tell them to believe, it is not scriptural.
Message 72
On the first day diffused light evidently shone through the cloud cover, but the sources of that light could not have been seen by an earthly observer. Now, on this fourth day, things apparently changed and the cloud cover dispersed to allow the sun and moon to become visible from an earthly perspective
The hebrew doesn't give this perspective at all. Again you are just letting your imagination go wild as you try to fit the bible into what evolutionist tell you that you should believe.
Please read percy's messages 73 and 74. In fact read, them a number of times. Maybe 10 times might be sufficient (let's hope so).
Message 75
moses used a word that indicated long lengths of time, but modern translators were limited in their understanding of hebrew
His words indicate nothing of the sort.
so its only reasonable to conclude that it is the same in the genesis account.
What the...??? You forgot that one meaning of the word yohm is also an ordinary day. In fact everywhere that the word yohm is used in context of evening and morning it always means an ordinary day.
Please stop thinking that you are somehow super enlightend above the countless numbers of christians and followers of the one true God before we were all "enlightend" with evolution and an old earth.
Now I've missed out on valuable sleeping time just because you decide to post baseless compromises. I'm going to bed.

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Arphy
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From: New Zealand
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Message 98 of 120 (524695)
09-18-2009 6:42 AM
Reply to: Message 84 by Peg
09-15-2009 4:58 AM


Re: Please Stay On Topic
Response to your first point see reply to greyseal
These days have to do, not with the creation of earth’s matter or material
Man was definitely created last which is logical because man and animals need certain things to survive, yes?
So matter and material were created. What is the point you are trying to make.
along with all the other planets in the universe
That was the part that i had a problem with.
his word was 'Yohm'
a day is not a long period of time. Especially when compared to the billions of years that you believe in.
so Yohm is used in many ways, not only to mean a 24 hour time period, although it can do, its not always used that way as the above scriptures show.
Yip, and i never disagreed with this. However, I don't think there is any way that you can read day in Genesis 1 as in the days of Noah. a day’s journey means the distance traveled in a 24 hour day. We can measure distance in light-years. Does this mean we question the use of the word year? Do we question and so "oh look a year can be used to measure distance, therefore perhaps a year isn't actually 365.25 days long but perhaps millions and billions of days long." What? That is ridiculous.
Ezekiel 4:6:
Again does day mean anything other than a 24 hour day? Was ezekiel to lie on his side for millions of years? No, again the word day is just a normal day.

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Arphy
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Message 99 of 120 (524697)
09-18-2009 6:57 AM
Reply to: Message 90 by greyseal
09-15-2009 10:58 AM


Re: Please Stay On Topic
Your with Peg on this one?
What you have written is refutation of Peg's arguments.
Quite literally, all of chapter 1 is "the beginning".
Exactly. In Peg's and your time scale a beginning can be 13.5 billion years (or whatever the figure is) old when compared to the remainder of history which is only about 6000 years old. This is just weird. So you are saying that Jesus is in effect saying "At the beginning, 13.5 billion years after the big bang....." What? that just makes no sense at all.
Again the word day does not always mean a 24 hour day. Hence why we read it in context to work out what the author means. The context clearly implies a normal day, hence why people throughout history have always understood it as such unless they want to push an agenda.

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Arphy
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Posts: 185
From: New Zealand
Joined: 08-23-2009


Message 106 of 120 (524795)
09-18-2009 7:43 PM
Reply to: Message 103 by greyseal
09-18-2009 9:30 AM


Re: Please Stay On Topic
Sure you can!
You just say this: "the bible was written in a poetic manner, and genesis I and II are not meant as exact literal accounts, but as poetic, descriptive accounts."
It is your religious belief that this is the case. What is so poetic about long lists of descendents, or a census? To say that is always poetic and never actually records any actual events is absurd, but if you want to believe that I guess i can't stop you. As for Genesis 1 and 2 again it is your religious belief in an old earth that demands you to reinterpret the clear teaching of scripture.
Does anyone who should actually be in a position to know proclaim "the days in Genesis I and II were actual real light-dark periods of 24 hours"?
Yes, most biblical old testament experts and throughout history most biblical scholars viewed it like this. Here is one such article that makes a strong case against torturing the text Detroit Baptist Theological Seminary Page not found - Detroit Baptist Theological Seminary and this is for you also peg for your "Genesis 2:4 calls all six creative days, one day..." comment and greyseal's "And please, if you're going to say "yeah! a day isn't always a day! but it is this time!" then don't bother. Pointing out that I might be right and then just insisting that your interpretation is the only valid one is vapid at best." comment. You both total ignore the context in which the word day is used. To say that the word can have multiple meanings is not the same as saying that all those meanings can be attributed to a word in a particular context.
it doesn't really talk about HOW god made everything. It doesn't really talk about why. It doesn't mention Mars, Venus, Jupiter, Pluto, Ceres, Anteres, Globular Cluster M-1 or anything other than earth. And "earth" with a small "e" at that.
So we should disbelieve it on the topics it does talk about because it has not mentioned every single detail of the universe which would turn the bible into a multi-billion page book ???
If you don't like the way the bible is written or the things it proclaims then go write your own bible and start a new religion.
Edited by Arphy, : No reason given.

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