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Dr Adequate
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Message 156 of 323 (525307)
09-22-2009 9:25 PM
Reply to: Message 152 by Archangel
09-22-2009 8:38 PM


Re: define reprobate, then think introspectively
More judgmental criticisms and drivel from the peanut gallery as he offers no evidence at all to the debate. If incessant insistence that you are right was worth anything, you would have won this debate long ago. But alas, all we have is empty lip service...
Instead of whining about me, do you think you could produce a scrap of a shred of a scintilla of evidence to support the rubbish in your OP?
... I guess whining about me is easier.

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Message 167 of 323 (525334)
09-23-2009 12:43 AM
Reply to: Message 165 by Archangel
09-23-2009 12:01 AM


Re: Holy Mary mother of god in a sidecar with chocolate jimmies and a lobster bib!
But wont you and all of your secular humanist defenders of evolution be sorely and sadly shocked on that final day when you inevitably learn how right we were and how absolutely wrong you were as you believed evolutions lies just as I am warning you about.
Your pretense that only "secular humanists" defend evolution is, of course, untrue, and your daydream that one day we will learn that you were right is a fantasy contrary to all known evidence.

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Message 168 of 323 (525336)
09-23-2009 12:46 AM
Reply to: Message 164 by Archangel
09-22-2009 11:57 PM


Re: EVOLUTION'S FRAUD HAS CONTRIBUTED TO ITS PUBLIC ACCEPTANCE:
WOW, the sanctimony exhibited by you pseudo intellectuals as you repeatedly insist how right you are at a rate of your 116 combined posts to my 30. Here are all of my arguments in all of my posts which most have yet to be responded to with any substance at all, or rational evidence that anything you defend regarding evolution is based in a solid foundation of proven evidence. And if the foundation is faulty, then so is the house which is built upon it.
Unless you're ready to produce this overwhelming evidence that spontaneous life appeared magically around 3.5 billion years ago leading to common descent and all of the crap that follows that term. Also, no comment on the Miller video questions I asked? No interest in defending that experiment which is held up as the best evidence of spontaneous life appearing from non life? Even when I give you the experiment which your most fevered proponents hold up proudly as evidence, you refuse to comment in defense of it by answering my very valid and common sense questions.
All I get in response are 10 or 12 more angry and insulting posts which attempt to change the subject by insulting me, and more of your inane obfuscations. So here you go, I proudly repost the links to my posts in case anyone garners the nerve to actually respond to them ON POINT. EvC Forum: Origin of Translation...
And here's the link to the evidence in my OP's post in case anyone wants to respond to any of the examples of fraud it documents and actually get back on topic. Take your pick from the many examples of fraud it outlines. Evolution Fraud and Myths
We have already debunked the miserable fraudulent crap that you quoted in your OP.
The other false statements in your hysterical ravings are off topic. If you wish to scream deluded nonsense about anything else, that would belong on another thread.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 200 of 323 (525506)
09-23-2009 3:41 PM
Reply to: Message 182 by Archangel
09-23-2009 10:05 AM


What is relevant about it being promoted in Nat Geo is its highly respected standing and wide exposure to the general public as a must read science magazine. What you are ignoring is that people trust that if it is published in Nat Geo, it is Peer Reviewed and documented information, WHICH THIS ALLEGED EVIDENCE OF THE "Archaeoraptor" WAS. AS WERE ALL OF THE OTHER FRAUDS I HAVE DISCUSSED HERE WERE PEER REVIEWED AND RUBBER STAMPED FROM WITHIN THE EVOLUTION COMMUNITY.
This is, of course, untrue.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 202 of 323 (525509)
09-23-2009 3:49 PM
Reply to: Message 196 by Archangel
09-23-2009 3:11 PM


Sure it was attempted fraud since it was an attempt to pass fiction off as fact. Didn't they say Coelacanth was a true intermediary animal and even described a partially developed lung with drawings of it crawling out of the Sea on partially developed legs/fins which were evolving from life at sea to life on land?
I have only your word for this, which most likely means that this claim is another creationist fraud.
No-one claims that tetrapods were descended from coelancanths, but from other lobe-finned fish.
Here, by the way, is a photograph of a lobe-finned fish crawling about on the land.
It's called a lungfish, can you guess why?
And here's some video.
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Dr Adequate
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Message 208 of 323 (525621)
09-24-2009 12:14 AM
Reply to: Message 207 by Archangel
09-24-2009 12:03 AM


1) Why is it that evolutionists deny reality in favor of mythical and fraudulent assumptions which are impossible to support with real evidence?
2) Why are evolutionists so insecure about what they believe that they must travel in packs like wild wolves and personally attack the opposition rather than directly debate the many inconsistencies in their pseudo scientific belief system?
3) Why do evolutionists cherry pick what they will respond to while ignoring everything they can't refute, as if it was never raised as an issue?
4) Why do evolutionists continue to insist that a spiritual/supernatural event which Creation was, must be defined and explained through scientific means when they can't even prove the first stage of the process of life beginning, which they insist occurred spontaneously?
5) Why do evolutionists copy and paste volumes of so called evidence when none of it is evidence of anything since it is all based on faulty and prejudicial interpretations by people with a preconceived agenda to insure that their profession of choice survives all scrutiny.
Why do you scream halfwitted falsehoods about evolutionists instead of even trying to defend the fraudulent crap in your OP?

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Dr Adequate
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Message 213 of 323 (525631)
09-24-2009 1:38 AM
Reply to: Message 212 by Archangel
09-24-2009 1:13 AM


My quote in the OP regarding the Orce fossil was a direct quote of the claims made in the source I linked to. So I needn't defend it any further than that.
Actually, you do need to defend the fraudulent creationist nonsense you quoted. Merely quoting it is not enough.
Let's see what your oracle or evolution, Talk Origin says about it. Interestingly, it still doesn't acknowledge that it's a fraud ...
They also don't acknowledge that a giant winged pig ate New York.
So once again, even though huge segments of the evolution community are profusely apologetic and accepting of the fraud this manufactured evidence represents as you all here have disavowed any faith in its authenticity, here is TO refusing to admit without compromise that its a fraud.
Nor do they admit without compromise that they are a race of super-sentient marshmallows from Rigel 7 who have voyaged to Earth to eat our beach umbrellas.
I wonder why not.
Nice job trapping me as we once again see the inconsistency within your own community regarding how fraudulent evidence is treated by different segments of it.
It is not actually inconsistent for all scientists to unanimously agree that it is not a fraud.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 218 of 323 (525646)
09-24-2009 5:04 AM
Reply to: Message 215 by Arphy
09-24-2009 4:23 AM


even so the story and hype has contributed to evolution's public acceptance. Same with Neanderthal man. The image of an ape-ish looking person i would say is still in the public mind.
Uh ... they were "apish-looking" compared to us. They had big brow ridges, massive jaws, virtually no chin, a protruding face, and robust bones.
As such even when it is not direct fraud, the overhyped and over-eager stories of these transitional fossils ...
They're not transitional, they're a sister group.
If you are an example of the "public eye" you speak of then it's not the fault of biologists that you don't listen to a darn thing they say.
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Dr Adequate
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Message 220 of 323 (525662)
09-24-2009 7:16 AM
Reply to: Message 219 by Archangel
09-24-2009 6:59 AM


I must be to expect this crowd to show any objective consistency in what it defends or rejects regarding this pseudo science. Didn't you ask me to document where evolution used the Orce evidence to further the validity of the theory in order to show that it rejected it as nothing more than a fraud?
Please quote one scientist --- not a creationist bullshitter, but a scientist --- saying that it was a fraud.
Or stop making false statements with no basis in reality.
You tell me how from a skull fragment which is so small it can't be identified as hominid or equine, they were originally able to construct drawings that said it was from a 17 year old man who lived 900,000 to 1.6 million years ago? Tell me what factual deductions that bone fragment gave them which made that possible if you will because I'm just too mentally deficient to get it. Especially since they can't even determine if it's human or animal for certain. It boggles the mind, yet it is my mental acuity which you question?
Your statements about the bone fragment are derived from a known creationist bullshitter talking nonsense about what a journalist wrote in the Knoxville News-Sentinel.
If you want to know the reasons why it was suggested that it was human, and the reasons why it was suggested to be not human, what you would need would be some sort of peer-reviewed scientific publication.
Why don't you go and look for one?
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Dr Adequate
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Message 231 of 323 (525795)
09-24-2009 4:43 PM
Reply to: Message 230 by Archangel
09-24-2009 4:23 PM


Re: still not a fraud!
You have a great future ahead of you preaching to ignorant fundies. Even reading your rantings on the internet, one can almost see the flecks of spittle forming at the corners of your mouth.
But we are not ignorant fundies; we require facts rather than hysteria and bile; and if you're not going to try to justify the nonsense in your OP, then you're wasting your time.

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Message 238 of 323 (525820)
09-24-2009 8:19 PM
Reply to: Message 236 by Archangel
09-24-2009 7:56 PM


It's funny how when religious people want to talk smack about some concept, they always pretend that it's a religion, as though that's the worst thing you could say about an idea.
Now me, when I want to disparage creationism, do I go about pretending that it's a science? I do not.
---
Now, would you like to try to justify the nonsense in your OP, or would you rather do your brimstone preacher act again? It's funny, but, as I've pointed out, it serves little purpose.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 239 of 323 (525821)
09-24-2009 8:20 PM
Reply to: Message 237 by Archangel
09-24-2009 8:18 PM


Re: Still Not Playing Ball!
So, you have no evidence of fraud in the case of the Orce fragment.
Thought not.
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Dr Adequate
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Message 246 of 323 (525838)
09-24-2009 10:16 PM
Reply to: Message 237 by Archangel
09-24-2009 8:18 PM


How Evolutionists Control The Internet
You see Granny, this question which has been repeated ad infinitum by you and your cohorts is a perfect example of your blatant dishonesty and disingenuous debating style. It also reveals your sides cockiness and sanctimonious belief that you can con us by insisting that I answer a question you know cannot be answered from any source on the web since you have done the required searches yourself and know it has been erased from the on line journals, so the info no longer exists on the net. Which just confirms the power of this cult.
Well, you've very nearly figured out our little secret, so I guess it's only fair to tell you the rest.
Yes, we control the internet. It's a big job, but someone has to do it.
But you have erred in your guess at what we do with this power. What we actually do ... promise you won't tell anyone? ... is we use it to delete all the good creationist arguments, leaving only the ones that are palpable nonsense. By these subtle means, we hope to give everyone the impression that creationists are a bunch of ding-dongs.
And that is why all the creationist arguments on the internet are unsupported by the evidence. It's not that we remove all the evidence supporting creationist arguments --- instead, we remove all the creationist arguments supported by evidence, leaving only the creationist arguments that are blithering nonsense. Cunning, eh?
So, for example, the only reason our all-powerful cabal allowed you to read the gibberish you quoted in your OP was that it's clearly garbage of the rankest and most stinky variety. You will never get to see any of the good creationist arguments, because the only surviving copies of these are kept in a secure vault at World Evolutionist Headquarters. (I'm not allowed to tell you where that is, let's just say it's an underwater volcano in an "undisclosed location".)
Of course, sometimes some smartass creationist will persist in posting a valid argument even after we've deleted it a few times. Then we have to send goons round to his house to have him whacked. Fortunately we have lots of goons. Evolutionism is a big cult, and, as you know, we're all thoroughly wicked, and always up for a bit of murder if that'll conceal The Truth. Or, indeed, just for the heck of it.
Don't worry, though --- I think we can guarantee your safety. You are presenting exactly the image of creationism that we wish the world to see.
Well, I must go now. I have truths to suppress, goats to sacrifice, and the paperwork just keeps on piling up. I've asked and asked for more minions, but sometimes I think the Budget Department are even more steeped in evil than the rest of us put together.
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Dr Adequate
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Message 252 of 323 (525861)
09-25-2009 1:23 AM
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09-25-2009 1:08 AM


Re: And thus another topic dies
It's not so much the topic dying, as a pet topic being put down. It's a tired old topic, it's in pain and suffering, it doesn't so much live as twitch occasionally and whine ... it's kindest that it should die.

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Message 256 of 323 (525921)
09-25-2009 8:49 AM
Reply to: Message 237 by Archangel
09-24-2009 8:18 PM


Thoughts On The Paranoid Mind
You see Granny, this question which has been repeated ad infinitum by you and your cohorts is a perfect example of your blatant dishonesty and disingenuous debating style. It also reveals your sides cockiness and sanctimonious belief that you can con us by insisting that I answer a question you know cannot be answered from any source on the web since you have done the required searches yourself and know it has been erased from the on line journals, so the info no longer exists on the net. Which just confirms the power of this cult.
This demonstrates one of the more peculiar aspects of the paranoid mind. I've noticed it in "9/11 Truthers", too.
You see, the thing is that he supposes, as demonstrated not just by this post but by the whole tenor of this thread, that there has been a great big enormous and all-but all-powerful effort to con people into accepting evolution.
And yet when he encounters any particular person who does, in fact, accept evolution, such as Granny Magda, he doesn't suppose that Granny has been duped by the conspiracy. He supposes that she's part of it. While supposing that there's this huge conspiracy to fool everyone, he can't believe that any particular person has been fooled by it. In his view of the world, there are no dupes, there are only shills.
He has a fantasy that all the evidence that he's right has been destroyed by an evolutionist cabal. But he can't believe that the destruction of all the evidence that he's right is the reason why Granny Magda thinks that there's no evidence that he's right: even though that would be a perfectly adequate explanation. No, he also believes that she is part of the internet-controlling cabal and is a knowing party to the purging of the evidence.
This is exactly the same as what I see with the "9/11 Truthers". On the one hand, they suppose that there has been a plot so devilishly clever as to fool almost the entire world --- but on the other hand, if you tell them that you think that Bush was not behind 9/11, they immediately accuse you of being in the pay of the CIA.
In both cases, the nuts suppose that there is a vast, intricate, and cunning conspiracy to fool people into accepting some proposition --- but if anyone says that they accept that proposition, then the nuts immediately conclude that that person has not been fooled by that conspiracy, but rather that they are part of it.
There are no dupes, there are only shills. And thus the conspiracy theorists manage to believe in an all-powerful world-spanning conspiracy to deceive people which they also apparently believe has not, in fact, deceived anyone at all.
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