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Peg
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Message 9 of 42 (528424)
10-06-2009 3:38 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Evlreala
10-05-2009 4:13 PM


The Biblical kinds constitute divisions of life-forms where each division allows for breeding within its limits. This means the boundary between kinds is drawn at the point where fertilization ceases to occur. IOW, if they can not breed, they are differnt kinds.
kind is translated from:
Hebrew. lemi.noh'
Greek ge'nos
Latin ge'nus
English-Genus
Edited by Peg, : No reason given.

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Peg
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Message 11 of 42 (528433)
10-06-2009 5:31 AM
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10-06-2009 4:00 AM


and this is where the confusion arises...its hard to know exactly what everyone means.. When i said the black widow and the trancula are the same kind, i did also mean species
it looks like i've been caught in the kind and species trap.
the bible 'kinds' are those that can reproduce together. They were sent forth 'according to their kinds' to multiply
Yep now im confused! You tell me what a species is currently defined as.

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Peg
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Message 14 of 42 (528436)
10-06-2009 5:47 AM
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10-06-2009 5:39 AM


do you beleive there are exceptions other then bacteria?

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Peg
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Message 16 of 42 (528438)
10-06-2009 5:50 AM
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10-06-2009 5:36 AM


Yes, i know a black widow and triancula cannot reproduce.
so what do we call two types of spider that cannot reproduce, a different species or a different kind?
MrJack writes:
There is no single, clearly defined and universally applicable definition of what a species is.
why do you think that is the case?

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Peg
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Message 18 of 42 (528442)
10-06-2009 6:19 AM
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10-06-2009 5:55 AM


both

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Peg
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Message 27 of 42 (530350)
10-13-2009 4:55 AM
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10-06-2009 7:54 AM


Modulous writes:
From an evolutionary perspective - there are no arbitrary barriers between organisms. If I got all living things together in a room and pointed at one of them I could, in principle, point to something else that is the same species as that one.
no arbitary barriers kind of implies that all living things should be capable of cross breeding...ie horse with cow or rabbit with wombat
what do you mean exactly.
Modulous writes:
Creationists do make claims about 'kinds' but are unable to determine what is or what is not a 'kind'.
well humans are 1 kind
we are greatly varied though...as family groups became isolated by location, they developed their own special features. Hence why there are many nations with very distinguishable features. You can genrally look at someone and know which part of the earth they are from or what nation they are from.
yet all humans can interbreed because they are the same 'kind'
IOW there is only one 'kind' of the human species.

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