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Author Topic:   The Flood, fossils, & the geologic evidence
hooah212002
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Message 76 of 377 (529017)
10-07-2009 9:35 PM


You still haven't answered my questions from Message 4: what KIND is a Daphaenodon/Bear Dog? Or any of the other mammalian fossils found there? Why weren't they present on the ark? Were they and have since went extinct?
Nor have you answered my question from Message 5: regarding the freezing temperatures that the Ark must have dealt with since it was at a dam high altitude.
{ABE} I have waited patiently per AdminNosy's request, only to have you completely ignore me.
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Calypsis4
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Message 77 of 377 (529020)
10-07-2009 10:08 PM
Reply to: Message 75 by Capt Stormfield
10-07-2009 9:07 PM


For definitions of "rest" that include the frantic searching of creationist sites for new diversions, no doubt.
Now that is funny. No, arrogant one, I meant rest for what it means literally.
And I got the rest.
More reasons not to believe in evolutionary uniformitarianism:
[thumb=400]http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h106/Martyrs5/Aug10271.jpg[/thumb=400]
Polystrate fossils. Trees and roots extending through many levels of strata. Did this tree stand dead for millions of years only to be covered over inch by inch and slowly become fossilized? No way. There isn't a tree on earth that would stand upright for that long.
But check this one out. Right out of National Geographic:
[thumb=300]http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h106/Martyrs5/Oct01292.jpg[/thumb=300]
A stunning view of a polystrate fossil which extends through several million yrs of strata. Below is a better view of the terrain surrounding it.
[thumb=400]http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h106/Martyrs5/Oct01293.jpg[/thumb=400]
This kind of phenomena is now occurring now in the lakes near Mount St. Helens in Washington. It doesn't take millions of years.

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Calypsis4
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Message 78 of 377 (529022)
10-07-2009 10:12 PM
Reply to: Message 58 by Capt Stormfield
10-07-2009 5:45 PM


Re: Address the evidence please
This relates to my as yet unanswered inquiry in message #29. Does your model have an estimate for the number of organisms that would have been alive at the same time in the pre-flood era?
No. There is no way to know that. It's like asking 'how many molecules make up the earths composition?'

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Calypsis4
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Message 79 of 377 (529023)
10-07-2009 10:16 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by Kitsune
10-07-2009 5:52 PM


Re: A test for Slevesque
It ain't there.
It is there. She's been looking at it in the illustrations I've posted. Good grief, what does she think 'mud' is?

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Capt Stormfield
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Message 80 of 377 (529024)
10-07-2009 10:17 PM
Reply to: Message 77 by Calypsis4
10-07-2009 10:08 PM


You're irony deficient, I take it?
Capt.

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Capt Stormfield
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Message 81 of 377 (529025)
10-07-2009 10:21 PM
Reply to: Message 78 by Calypsis4
10-07-2009 10:12 PM


Re: Address the evidence please
It's like asking 'how many molecules make up the earths composition?'
What ever gave you the idea that that is difficult to estimate?
Capt.

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anglagard
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Message 82 of 377 (529027)
10-07-2009 10:35 PM
Reply to: Message 72 by Theodoric
10-07-2009 7:24 PM


Re: A test for Calypsis4
I agree completely, therefore no responses from me in any thread involving Calypsis 4 as they are not about honest debate but rather are simply about insult, gallop, and run away.

The idea of the sacred is quite simply one of the most conservative notions in any culture, because it seeks to turn other ideas - uncertainty, progress, change - into crimes.
Salman Rushdie
This rudderless world is not shaped by vague metaphysical forces. It is not God who kills the children. Not fate that butchers them or destiny that feeds them to the dogs. It’s us. Only us. - the character Rorschach in Watchmen

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Coyote
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Message 83 of 377 (529028)
10-07-2009 10:38 PM
Reply to: Message 79 by Calypsis4
10-07-2009 10:16 PM


Re: A test for Slevesque--No, for Calipsis4: epic FAIL!
I don't know why you're still talking mud when you lost the battle back on my post #6.
Nothing you have posted since has rebutted any of what I posted. The global flood about 4,350 years ago is a tribal myth, and nothing more than regional folklore.
You're rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.
Epic FAIL!

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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Capt Stormfield
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Message 84 of 377 (529029)
10-07-2009 10:42 PM
Reply to: Message 78 by Calypsis4
10-07-2009 10:12 PM


Re: Address the evidence please
This relates to my as yet unanswered inquiry in message #29. Does your model have an estimate for the number of organisms that would have been alive at the same time in the pre-flood era?
No.
Well don't you think you ought to address the issue? If the number of fossils you claim were caused by a global flood implies an impossibly large number of plants and animals co-existing on the earth at one time, your hypothesis would be falsified. I'm surprised you haven't looked into this. You'd better stop wasting time changing the subject and get right on this. Wouldn't want to give the impression that we were just an dishonest, misdirection peddling asshat, now would we?
Capt.

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Calypsis4
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Message 85 of 377 (529031)
10-07-2009 10:47 PM
Reply to: Message 64 by Kitsune
10-07-2009 6:17 PM


Re: Address the evidence please
Why are some layers missing in other places? Erosion
That answer is unacceptable. One has to shut their mind off and pretend to maintain such a position. I made it clear that the erosion content at the base of the mountains and/or plateaus depicted in my photos were the result of several thousand years of erosion. But the rest is missing. Does she think that all that sediment just seeped into the earth? Did it all evaporate? Did it all melt? Of course not.
Mountains degenerate (erode), true. But all sediment that finds its way down still exists! It doesn't vanish from the earth. The point I am making is that there was a huge deposition of sediment from the American west and many other places in the world where you find similar geologic features.
[thumb=400]http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h106/Martyrs5/100_2594.jpg[/thumb=400]
Where was the sediment between the plateaus in this picture deposited? Certainly not to a higher region. Like all other regions like it the sediment had a deposition to a distant region of the continent by a great amount of water. I maintain it was the flood of Noah that did this.

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Calypsis4
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Message 86 of 377 (529032)
10-07-2009 10:52 PM
Reply to: Message 84 by Capt Stormfield
10-07-2009 10:42 PM


Re: Address the evidence please
Well don't you think you ought to address the issue? If the number of fossils you claim were caused by a global flood implies an impossibly large number of plants and animals co-existing on the earth at one time, your hypothesis would be falsified.
Didn't I answer this one in more detail elsewhere? I thought I did.
Nonetheless, my answer is still 'no'. How can one know such a thing? It's like asking, "How many molecules make up the earths composition?" No one could answer that with any degree of certainty.
But I don't agree with your contention. I believe what Moses described in Genesis about the flood of Noah. The Lord Jesus Christ confirmed what He said about it. I trust His word more than anyone on earth. I also agree with creationist geologists who take the position that the earth's stratigraphy matches what Moses said. I am showing the reasons why on this thread. I've got a lot more.

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hooah212002
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Message 87 of 377 (529033)
10-07-2009 10:55 PM
Reply to: Message 86 by Calypsis4
10-07-2009 10:52 PM


Re: Address the evidence please
Once again: please respond to Message 76.
....I've got a lot more
One at a time there guy. You have yet to address ANYTHING that anyone has said to you. Last I checked, this isn't Calypis4's personal blog where you can post whatever-the-fuck you want and not respond to it.
Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given.

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Calypsis4
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Message 88 of 377 (529034)
10-07-2009 10:56 PM
Reply to: Message 83 by Coyote
10-07-2009 10:38 PM


Re: A test for Slevesque--No, for Calipsis4: epic FAIL!
I don't know why you're still talking mud when you lost the battle back on my post #6.
You like to pretend, don't you?
When I finally get to the thread about carbon dating and bring out what I've got you're going to wish you had not said a word.
I am disgusted with your utter trust in a dating system that is based on assumptions that YOU KNOW are built into the system.

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Calypsis4
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Message 89 of 377 (529035)
10-07-2009 10:57 PM
Reply to: Message 82 by anglagard
10-07-2009 10:35 PM


Re: A test for Calypsis4
I agree completely, therefore no responses from me in any thread involving Calypsis 4 as they are not about honest debate but rather are simply about insult, gallop, and run away.
You aren't telling the truth, but I am pleased with your decision. Stick to it.
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Message 90 of 377 (529036)
10-07-2009 10:58 PM
Reply to: Message 89 by Calypsis4
10-07-2009 10:57 PM


Dating
Since dating is crucial to the arguments on both sides it might be a good idea for you to take a break here and head off to the correlations and carbon dating threads.
You should note that the C14 dating has little to do with most of your issues.

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