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Calypsis4
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Message 1 of 112 (529514)
10-09-2009 5:26 PM


During the orbit of the moon by Gemini 8 during December, 1968, Stanly Kubrick and Arthur C. Clarke unveiled 2001, A Space Odyssey. This science fiction story was of man's first encounter with extra-terretrials.
From the opening scene and throughout the movie the viewers were treated with panoramic views of space. But I noticed that in each instance where the earth and/or Jupiter lined up perfectly with the sun or moons there was a major development in man's 'evolution' and man was given the ability to take the next step in his progress.
[thumb=400]http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h106/Martyrs5/site_28_rand_847068574_2001_opening.jpg[/thumb=400]
It is clear to the careful observer that timing was a very important matter in man's evolutinary growth, development, and understanding.
[thumb=300]http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h106/Martyrs5/2001_space_odyssey_fg2b.jpg[/thumb=300]
From the ape-like ancestor man supposedly came from..
[thumb=400]http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h106/Martyrs5/jupiter06-2.jpg[/thumb=400]
...to the end where the hero of the story encounters the perfect alignment of Jupiter with five of its moons & the mysterious monolith there is a major change in man with each experience. The final encounter results in a miraculous transformation of the hero into something that Clarke suggests in his novel, a being powerful enough to change the world. All in time with what the highly evolved pure energy extraterrestrials had planned with precision timing.
[thumb=400]http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h106/Martyrs5/2001_screenshot_poole_reflection.jpg[/thumb=400]
I watched this movie at the theater with a friend who happened to be agnostic. As we left the theater I told him, "I think I get it. The power in the monolith was God." He only nodded and replied, "Interesting that you would say that." Of course I no longer hold to that interpretation of the movie.
Well, that's science fiction. This is reality.
[thumb=400]http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h106/Martyrs5/IoEuropaAnimation2.gif[/thumb=400]
The near alignment of Jupiter with some of its moons, resulting in the eclipse of Jupiters moon Europa being eclipsed by Io.
So the readers won't have to wait any longer on my point, it is my contention that all events and occurrences happen according to a perfect timing by the providence of Almighty God. In other words, from an eternal point of view, there are no 'accidents'. I intend to give some rather stunning examples of that.
1. In approx. 1440 B.C. the Hebrews of Isreal were commanded to take a lamb for each family, slay it and place its blood upon the doors of their homes. This was to be done on the 14th day of the month Nisan (April).
2. Later, the high priest of Isreal was likewise commanded to slay a lamb, this time a Ram, by putting his hand upon the head of the animal and stabbing it in the heart. The blood of the animal was to be brought before the Mercy Seat in the tabernacle. Each day of atonement (Nisan 14th) this was done for centuries. But the Jews never understood why it had to be done this way, at least not until the first century.
3. In approx. 535 B.C. Daniel the prophet was informed by the Spirit of God that exactly 483 yrs. after the command of Artaxerxes to rebuild Jerusalem the Messiah would be killed: 'cut off' ("...shall Messiah be cut off; which word signifies cutting off, or cutting down, as a tree). That date was approx. 450-444 B.C. but the month is exact: Nisan.
4. Joel told us 800 yrs B.C. that the day of the Lord would be accompanied by (a) a darkening of the sun and (b) a lunar eclipse (2:31) Most of us who believe this prophecy think that there is a double fulfillment involved here; both in the past and the future.
5. So: not only was the promised one (called the 'lamb of God') killed as prophesied it was done on the 14th of Nisan (April 3) A.D. 33, exactly 483 yrs to the day that the prophets said he would be killed.
What about the darkening of the sun? What happened on that fateful day?
Not only did the followers of Christ record that the world went dark that day...
Quote: "Phlegon Trallianus records in his history, Olympiades (41):
'In the fourth year of the 202nd Olympiad [AD 32-33], a failure of the Sun took place greater than any previously known, and night came on at the sixth hour of the day [noon], so that stars actually appeared in the sky; and a great earthquake took place in Bithynia and overthrew the greater part of Niceaea,' obviously not a simple astronomical event." Attorney Steve Larson in bethlehem.com.
[thumb=300]http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h106/Martyrs5/dark-days.jpg[/thumb=300]
Also, Quote: "Julius Africanus mentions Phlegon's report of the darkness, and also a similar report of the darkness by Thallus, who wrote his History circa 50-100 AD. Thallus' manuscripts have not survived, but Africanus perserves some of his writing by critiquing it. Specifically, Africanus faults Thallus for stating that the darkness was the result of a solar eclipse.
"On the whole world there pressed a most fearful darkness; and the rocks were rent by an earthquake, and many places in Judea and other districts were thrown down. This darkness Thallus, in the third book of his History, calls, as appears to me without reason, an eclipse of the sun." See, John Chapman, Phlegon Examined Critically and Impartially (Cambridge University Press, London, 1734)
Matthew tells us that at the hour of Christs death, "and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent." 27:51.
But even more astonishing than all of this is the fact that on that day there was a lunar eclipse, which if one could hypothetically view the scene from the lunar surface looking back at the earth/sun then one could potentially view the constellation Aires (the Ram!) in the bacground...with the dark of the eclipse in the very heart of that Ram.
[thumb=300]http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h106/Martyrs5/Science__Society_10425710-1.jpg[/thumb=300]
Check out the time of the lunar eclipses according to NASA:
[thumb=300]http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h106/Martyrs5/bannerEclipse2008.jpg[/thumb=300]
http://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/LEhistory/LEhistory.html
A lunar eclipse on April 3, A.D. 33, the day Jesus Christ died on the cross. Perfect timing by the God who ordained it all.

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Calypsis4
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Message 7 of 112 (529548)
10-09-2009 6:17 PM
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10-09-2009 5:35 PM


Re: Thread Copied from Proposed New Topics Forum
This is also a warning to those who might want to discuss this with you. They are probably wasting their time
'Wasting their time'? Well, we sure know where you stand, don't we Mr. administrator?

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Calypsis4
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Message 10 of 112 (529552)
10-09-2009 6:19 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by Coragyps
10-09-2009 6:07 PM


Does it trouble you not at all that lunar and solar eclipses must be separated by a minimum of two weeks
You don't read carefully, do you?
I never said that there was both a solar AND lunar eclipse on the day of Christ's death. What I said (& what the biblical account says) is that there was a strange 'darkness' that day.
But the truth is that you just don't care.

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Calypsis4
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Message 12 of 112 (529556)
10-09-2009 6:22 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by Briterican
10-09-2009 6:17 PM


Re: Free for all
Adiminnneoususouous wiped the post because it just had a silly picture and added nothing to the discussion, and I don't blame him in the least. He warned me to behave and I shall heed that warning, as so far I feel like a grade school kid amongst a bunch of college students hehe. Guess I just thought I was being funny, but was actually being a twit hehe.
That attitude is precisely why I don't dignify you with an answer.
Just thought I would remind you.
Bye.

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Calypsis4
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Message 13 of 112 (529558)
10-09-2009 6:24 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by ZenMonkey
10-09-2009 6:20 PM


Re: Amazing!
I also notice that there was a total eclipse of the moon on 27 September 14 CE, corresponding with the death of the emperor Augustus. 27 September is also my ex-wife's birthday, exactly 1959 years later, and my girlfriend's birthday is - wait for it - in 1959, and if you add up all the numbers in the day of Augustus's death - 27+9+14 - you get 50, which is how old my girlfriend is this year.
And where in history was the date Augustus death prophesied by the prophets? Name it?
Fool.

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Calypsis4
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Message 17 of 112 (529562)
10-09-2009 6:28 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by onifre
10-09-2009 6:01 PM


Yeah, I'm sure Jesus appreciated the sentiment. A glass of water may have been better, maybe some sunglasses, perhaps sun-block...I don't know. I didn't get that far into that mythology book. How does it end?
It figures. The monumental importance of the event completely went over your head.
No one will get a serious reply who doesn't treat a serious subject seriously. Do you think you can grasp that?
(psst; in case you don't...it means 'ignore').

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Calypsis4
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Message 18 of 112 (529563)
10-09-2009 6:31 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by Theodoric
10-09-2009 6:24 PM


Re: WHY??
Why are you feeding this troll?
The question is: why are you here? You have nothing to offer.

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Calypsis4
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Message 20 of 112 (529567)
10-09-2009 6:39 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by subbie
10-09-2009 6:33 PM


No answers
Notice to the readers who don't participate but only read the posts. After the behavior of subbie, among others, who can blame you?
The single most important event in all of history marked by scripture centuries ahead of its time, natural phenomena, the testimony of contemporary historians of the time, as well as the written accounts by the followers of God's Son...yet these individuals treat the whole matter like its trash.
It will cost them eternally.
But the facts remain and there isn't anything they can do about it.

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Calypsis4
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Message 30 of 112 (529736)
10-10-2009 10:03 AM
Reply to: Message 29 by mark24
10-10-2009 9:34 AM


In that case, the colossal number of eclipses that have occurred where fuck-all happened..
When are you going to learn that you can't communicate to me like that and get a response. So either behave at least like a semi-professional or don't even bother.

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Calypsis4
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Message 31 of 112 (529738)
10-10-2009 10:17 AM
Reply to: Message 28 by Coyote
10-09-2009 8:46 PM


Re: Serious subjects
Sounds fair.
Please post a serious post dealing with a serious subject.
It would be a nice change
Coyote, you blew it. I will say again what I said last night: we are talking about the evidence for the most important event in the history of mankind (the death of Christ on the cross) which is born up by a multitude of evidences, historical testimonies, and natural phenomena that occurred as was foretold, but you treat the subject like trash.
By the way: This is October 10, 2009 A.D. What does 'A.D.' stand for? For that matter what does 'B.C.' stand for?
You no longer exist as far as I am concerned.
"The fool hath said in his heart, 'there is no god'." [thumb=300]http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h106/Martyrs5/Science__Society_10425710-1.jpg[/thumb=300]

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Calypsis4
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Message 34 of 112 (529748)
10-10-2009 10:51 AM
Reply to: Message 33 by mark24
10-10-2009 10:22 AM


Re: Serious subjects
Just to be clear, are you saying there was a lunar or solar eclipse in AD33?
You're right. You're not only not a 'semi-professionl' but you haven't learned to read carefully yet. Go back and read the topic post for your answer.
And what is your evidence that Jesus died in AD33?
Perhaps I am wrong. Perhaps it was based on the birth of Madylyn Murray O'Hare?
Bye.

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Calypsis4
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Message 45 of 112 (530235)
10-12-2009 6:19 PM
Reply to: Message 42 by anglagard
10-11-2009 5:16 AM


Re: Serious subjects
When it comes to solar, here is the nearest I can find to any Passover of 33 AD.
Anglagard, you just made a fool of yourself. It appears that you didn’t even bother to check out the source I provided at the end of the topic post.
I said nothing about a solar eclipse and your date of Nov. 24, A.D. 29 is four years off.
But since you didn’t notice it then let me lead you by the hand to the place where NASA notes the date of the death of Christ on the (gasp!) lunar eclipse of April 3, A.D. 33.
NASA - Lunar Eclipses of History
Now if you will just take the time to scroll down to the second section of dates as it concerns the period A.D. you will find on the second notation 0033 Apr 03 as it concerns the crucifixion of Christ.
It helps if skeptics like you would give more than a cursory examination of the facts that are given them by Christians, but of course I understand your prejudice against what we believe in and it hurts you to discover substantive truth as it regards scripture. Nonetheless I provided in the O.P. documentation of the foretelling of the event by the prophets, the natural phenomena that occurred on that day as observed by those who saw it, the confirmation of historians who were contemporary with Christ at that time, and the computer analysis from NASA that the lunar eclipse happened on the day appointed. That, my skeptical counterpart, is four lines of evidence. There aren’t many historical events in the history of the world that have that many sources of confirmation.
As to Calypsis 4 or any other poop-flingers
I get you. Don't post me again, fella.

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Calypsis4
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Message 46 of 112 (530236)
10-12-2009 6:20 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by mark24
10-11-2009 6:30 AM


Re: Serious subjects
Thanks, anglagard, just wondering what all the sky darkening is in the OP.
Anglagard was in error.
Perhaps the darkness was due to...clouds?

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Calypsis4
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Message 47 of 112 (530238)
10-12-2009 6:23 PM
Reply to: Message 41 by Coragyps
10-10-2009 10:00 PM


Re: Question for Calypsis
Cal, what sort of event caused this darkening of the sun in 33 AD?
I am not certain.
I don't regard "the will of God" as much of an answer
That's because you've never seen the supernatural power of God. But I and many of my Christian companions have. We know what He can do.

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Calypsis4
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Message 49 of 112 (530253)
10-12-2009 6:56 PM
Reply to: Message 48 by Coragyps
10-12-2009 6:43 PM


Re: Serious subjects
That, and you have no extrabiblical evidence that this Jesus was crucified at all, let alone in 33 CE. And why is that that Mark and John disagree about the day, when they both are allegedly Inspired
You are in error. The multiple testimony of witnesses as found in the scriptures testifies of it. Josephus the historian testifies of Jesus existence and our entire dating system is based on His birth.
There is no contradiction between Mark and John. But you are welcome to point out what you feel is an error and I will answer you.

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