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Author Topic:   What is a "kind"?
Huntard
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Message 10 of 42 (528426)
10-06-2009 4:00 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by Peg
10-06-2009 3:38 AM


Peg writes:
The Biblical kinds constitute divisions of life-forms where each division allows for breeding within its limits. This means the boundary between kinds is drawn at the point where fertilization ceases to occur. IOW, if they can not breed, they are differnt kinds.
So, when you said this in Message 204 in the thread TOE and the Reasons for Doubt
Peg writes:
no, for the reason that they are both spiders. the are different 'types' of spider.
I would say different species would be a fly and a spider...they are different species.
You meant that the tarantula and the balck widow are different kinds.
Also, you said this in the same messag:
Peg writes:
an example might be a Chawaa and a doberman....size makes it impossible for them to mate.
So, they're also different kinds.

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Huntard
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Message 13 of 42 (528435)
10-06-2009 5:39 AM
Reply to: Message 11 by Peg
10-06-2009 5:31 AM


Peg writes:
Yep now im confused! You tell me what a species is currently defined as.
No problem.
The best definition for species I think is this:
Creatures that interact together in the wild, and can interbreeed and produce fertile offspring.
Kinda close to your "kind" definition.
Bear in mind though that there are always exceptions though. (bacteria for instance)

I hunt for the truth
I am the one Orgasmatron, the outstretched grasping hand
My image is of agony, my servants rape the land
Obsequious and arrogant, clandestine and vain
Two thousand years of misery, of torture in my name
Hypocrisy made paramount, paranoia the law
My name is called religion, sadistic, sacred whore.
-Lyrics by Lemmy Kilmister of Motorhead

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Huntard
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Message 29 of 42 (530402)
10-13-2009 11:16 AM
Reply to: Message 27 by Peg
10-13-2009 4:55 AM


Peg writes:
yet all humans can interbreed because they are the same 'kind'
Again, you bring up the argument that when it can breed, it's the same kind.
Yet when you are asked about two spiders who can't breed with one another, you say they're still the same kind.
So, just to be clear, if they can't breed they're a different kind, even if they are two spiders, dogs (wolves), salamanders, etc.?

I hunt for the truth
I am the one Orgasmatron, the outstretched grasping hand
My image is of agony, my servants rape the land
Obsequious and arrogant, clandestine and vain
Two thousand years of misery, of torture in my name
Hypocrisy made paramount, paranoia the law
My name is called religion, sadistic, sacred whore.
-Lyrics by Lemmy Kilmister of Motorhead

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