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Calypsis4
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Message 76 of 112 (530965)
10-15-2009 4:45 PM
Reply to: Message 75 by mark24
10-15-2009 4:43 PM


Re: Serious subjects
Let's face it, you fucked up.
You're a sorry reprobate.
You have no idea what Almighty God can do.

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onifre
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Message 77 of 112 (530969)
10-15-2009 5:04 PM
Reply to: Message 76 by Calypsis4
10-15-2009 4:45 PM


Re: Serious subjects
You have no idea what Almighty God can do.
If he made you, then I'm not impressed.
- Oni

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mark24
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Message 78 of 112 (530970)
10-15-2009 5:04 PM
Reply to: Message 76 by Calypsis4
10-15-2009 4:45 PM


Re: Serious subjects
Calypsis,
You're a sorry reprobate.
You have no idea what Almighty God can do.
So?
You are supposed to be supplying natural correlations that confirm JC's death. Claiming god helped xyz along only traps you in a circular argument: you have to believe god performed a miracle to make something happen, & that confirms gods existence. You have to accept the conclusion before you can accept the premises. Your list of logical fallacies grows longer...
So, be a grown up & tell me what prophecy the darkening sky was in, what alleged eyewitnesses there were, & explain how both a solar & lunar eclipse can occur at the same time as attested by your own sources.
But let's face it, you can't because you are lying for Jesus. You know it, we know it, it's a facade. If you could have done it you would have provided the necessary details & put me in my place several posts back. But you can't because you are lying. And you have the gall to call me names, you should be embarrassed.
Mark

There are 10 kinds of people in this world; those that understand binary, & those that don't

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onifre
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Message 79 of 112 (530974)
10-15-2009 5:11 PM
Reply to: Message 69 by ICANT
10-15-2009 1:45 PM


Re: Serious subjects
Modern man who does not want to retain God in their knowledge has decided Christ did not die, so AD means nothing.
Many modern men have never heard of Christ, let alone wiegh in on whether the Christian's brand of mythology is true or not.
Many have never seen a calander. Many use a different dating method. Many have never used our dating methods.
You speak like a true self-centered Christian, and American, who feels that ONLY his religion exists, his concept of god exists, and his methods of dating exist. And that anyone who doesn't accept it (for whatever reason) is going against their god.
The religious people who don't want to retain God in their mind can use this to mean Christian Era.
What about the Buddhist? Think of the poor Buddhists!!!
- Oni

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Huntard
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Message 80 of 112 (530975)
10-15-2009 5:13 PM
Reply to: Message 76 by Calypsis4
10-15-2009 4:45 PM


Re: Serious subjects
Calypsis4 writes:
You have no idea what Almighty God can do.
So far, in my life, he's been utterly powerless....
Want to prove me wrong? Then why doesn't he show his power? He knows I'm one for evidence. The mere fact he doesn't fulfil this is evidence of him being powerless.

I hunt for the truth
I am the one Orgasmatron, the outstretched grasping hand
My image is of agony, my servants rape the land
Obsequious and arrogant, clandestine and vain
Two thousand years of misery, of torture in my name
Hypocrisy made paramount, paranoia the law
My name is called religion, sadistic, sacred whore.
-Lyrics by Lemmy Kilmister of Motorhead

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DevilsAdvocate
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Message 81 of 112 (530979)
10-15-2009 5:24 PM
Reply to: Message 71 by Calypsis4
10-15-2009 1:58 PM


Re: Serious subjects
It will mean 'nothing' to them until they stand before the Creator God in that appointed day when all men shall give account of themselves to Him.
I find this appalling. And let me guess you will be smirking and gloating while God casts the 'evil sinners' into a never-ending burning lake of fire. Then you can get your party on.
Thinking that you will enjoy eternal bliss while your friends and family are spending ETERNITY in excruciating agony, torment and torture worse than the holocaust or anything we can exeperience in this life is the most dispicable, self-centered and evil thing I have ever heard. And then you have the gall to call anyone who disagrees with you self-centered, evil people.
Edited by DevilsAdvocate, : No reason given.

One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We're no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It is simply too painful to acknowledge -- even to ourselves -- that we've been so credulous. - Carl Sagan, The Fine Art of Baloney Detection
"You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe." - Carl Sagan
"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World

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Calypsis4
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Message 82 of 112 (530987)
10-15-2009 5:38 PM
Reply to: Message 81 by DevilsAdvocate
10-15-2009 5:24 PM


Re: Serious subjects
I find this appalling. And let me guess you will be smirking and gloating while God casts the 'evil sinners' into a never-ending burning lake of fire. Then you can get your party on.
How far removed from reality you are. I wouldn't wish hell fire on my worst enemy.
The Lord makes an invitation to all to join Him in heaven forever but you and the other skeptics here act like you are all allergic to the Creator God who made you. That's very sad.
What was said in the topic post is of the greatest importance and it all stands true. Every bit of it.

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Coragyps
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Posts: 5553
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Message 83 of 112 (530989)
10-15-2009 5:46 PM
Reply to: Message 76 by Calypsis4
10-15-2009 4:45 PM


Re: Serious subjects
You're a sorry reprobate.
They quit making reprobates in 1928. He can't be one.
How did the sky get dark all over the Roman world, Cal? "Supernaturally" isn't an answer. Why is an essentially unobservable partial lunar eclipse four hours after the event it was "prophesied" to accompany supposed to be impressive? What does the Book of Acts describing some future event have to do with the eclipse(s) you're rattling about here?
I wouldn't wish hell fire on my worst enemy.
Nor I unsalted, unbuttered boiled turnips on mine. But you may be risking just that.....
Edited by Coragyps, : addition

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Calypsis4
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Message 84 of 112 (531004)
10-15-2009 6:14 PM
Reply to: Message 83 by Coragyps
10-15-2009 5:46 PM


Re: Serious subjects
How did the sky get dark all over the Roman world, Cal? "Supernaturally" isn't an answer.
'Supernatural' IS an answer whether you like it or not.
But even if I were to acquiesce on this point (I won't)... you still aren't being honest enough to deal with the facts of the topic post: At least two well known independent witnesses observed the event though they were hundreds of miles away. They testified at being able to see the stars because it was so dark.
Why?
Nor I unsalted, unbuttered boiled turnips on mine. But you may be risking just that.....
I can prophesy your future right here and now and I'm not even a prophet. It can be spelled...'i-g-n-o-r-e'.

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hooah212002
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Message 85 of 112 (531029)
10-15-2009 8:11 PM
Reply to: Message 58 by Coragyps
10-15-2009 12:34 PM


Re: Serious subjects
And I'll warrant that you disbelieve the Invisible Pink Unicorn (PBUHHH!). You'll be the sorry one, when you're eating boiled turnips with no salt or butter while we, The Righteous, are eating ham-and-pineapple pizza with Great Rejoicing!!
I fear it's far worse than that. He will be surrounded by disease infested strippers and stale beer while we have neverending beer fountain of whatever beer we choose and clean hookers.
rAmen.

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hooah212002
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Message 86 of 112 (531031)
10-15-2009 8:29 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by Calypsis4
10-15-2009 1:04 PM


Re: Serious subjects
P.S. Your 'invisible pink unicorn' doesn't answer personal prayer. The God that I serve does. Often.
On the contrary. When your prayers are being fulfilled, they are being fulfilled by the IPU/FSM tag team. See, the IPU and FSM aren't jealous gods. They are ok with your non-belief and will help you because that's love. You are just too blind and ignorant to see it and accept it. Christianity is blinding you. Come to Pastafarianism and see the light my brother.
I just pray you are touched by his noodley appendage some day so you can enjoy the beer fountain with the rest of us.
rAmen
Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given.

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Theodoric
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Message 87 of 112 (531060)
10-15-2009 11:51 PM
Reply to: Message 61 by Calypsis4
10-15-2009 1:06 PM


Actually
It is October 15, 2009 CE.
To think AD is sme sort of proof for Jesus is pretty outrageous thinking.
Do you know when BC and AD first started being used?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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mark24
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From: UK
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Message 88 of 112 (531070)
10-16-2009 1:50 AM
Reply to: Message 84 by Calypsis4
10-15-2009 6:14 PM


Re: Serious subjects
Calypsis,
'Supernatural' IS an answer whether you like it or not.
Not in this thread.
For at least the third time, you are supposed to be providing natural correlations that allegedly confirm JC's death. Invoking the supernatural traps you in a circular argument. And this is for the second time, concluding god by invoking god means you have to accept the conclusion in order to accept the premise, this is a circular argument, yet another of your beloved logical fallacies.
So even if invoking the supernatural in this thread were relevant, which it isn't, it would be logically fallacious as an argument if you did.
Mark

There are 10 kinds of people in this world; those that understand binary, & those that don't

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Modulous
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Message 89 of 112 (531116)
10-16-2009 8:35 AM
Reply to: Message 57 by Calypsis4
10-15-2009 11:46 AM


Re: Serious subjects
But the foretelling of the lunar eclipse was prophesied (Joel 2:31) and it occurred as he said it would as verified by Peter who was an eyewitness (Acts 2:20).
But lunar eclipses happen. Prophesising one will is not impressive. And the one in 33AD wasn't the one that Joel prophesied because he was talking about a full lunar eclipse.
Then why bother replying on this point? Why not regard those witnesses as corroborating evidence as it should be?
Because they aren't corroborating witnesses to the crucifixion of Christ. As long as we're clear that they are corroborating something else we're in agreement.
It was enough of an eclipse that people in Israel saw it.
I think you just made that up. If any body in Israel did see it - I don't see you presenting evidence that they recorded it. Israel was right at the very penumbra (that's your source, by the way). And they would not have seen the moon turn red.
Again, it was a supernatural event.
No - the lunar eclipse that the nasa website shows and that you cited as evidence was a natural event. It was calculated to have occurred using physics. If you want to propose that the moon turned red as a supernatural event but that doesn't tell us anything useful.
Leaving Almighty God out of the equation is always the great fault of skeptics like you.
You cited scientific evidence which left YHWH out of the equation. I showed how the scientific evidence you cited doesn't corroborate your prophecy. So - leaving YHWH out of the equation by appealing to science was your doing so was your fault.
If you want to say, "Jesus died on the cross and my evidence is that God could do that" - then go right ahead, I won't stop you.
But those of us who have seen his power know what He can do.
Aye, if that's what you want to believe, then go right ahead. It is not really something that is worth debating in this thread.
When Christ returns to earth 'every eye shall see him' no matter from what location on earth that coming is viewed by human eyes.
Really? Oh, right then, then their must have been a lunar eclipse visible from the middle east in 33AD that turned the moon red and this is the event that Joel was talking about. Obviously. /sarcasm
Sorry - what did you expect?
You are the one who will be sorry. You missed the significance of the life and death of the most important person who ever lived on this planet. That's really too bad.
I said sorry and you told me that I was the one who will be sorry? Your reading comprehension slipped up a bit there methinks.
By the way, the prophecy of Daniel foretelling the exact time of Christ's death is not vague. You just don't care enough to find out how accurate he really was.
Then teach, don't bloviate and proselytize.

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Calypsis4
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Message 90 of 112 (531128)
10-16-2009 9:04 AM
Reply to: Message 89 by Modulous
10-16-2009 8:35 AM


Re: Serious subjects
But lunar eclipses happen. Prophesising one will is not impressive. And the one in 33AD wasn't the one that Joel prophesied because he was talking about a full lunar eclipse.
You are deliberately turning your mind away from the truth. You also resort to lies. Joel said nothing about whether the elcipse would be full or not. Why don't you even try to be honest and read the book for yourself?
Because they aren't corroborating witnesses to the crucifixion of Christ.
You lied again. You act as if you never heard of Matthew, John, or Peter.
You cited scientific evidence which left YHWH out of the equation. I showed how the scientific evidence you cited doesn't corroborate your prophecy.
God planned it all, you blind fool. I've been in this long enough to know that if we were disucssing Julius Caesar, or Charlemagne, or Henry VII you would not be saying the ridiculous things you've said and you would think that so many evidences corroborating their lives would be remarkable. But like your comrades in unbelief you have a bigotry against the Lord who made you and you won't accept any facts of history that would necessitate such an acceptance.
It's a waste of time even going further with you because you don't care about the truth.
Edited by Calypsis4, : addition

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