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Minnemooseus
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Message 16 of 31 (530269)
10-12-2009 8:27 PM


Roxrkool, at "The Flood, fossils, & the geologic evidence"
Author: roxrkool
Forum: Geology and the Great Flood
Thread: The Flood, fossils, & the geologic evidence
Message #: 126

A nice little message about some geologic processes and things geologic column. Alas, a presentation sadly marred by the lack of pretty pictures .

Moose

Added by edit - Added the smilie. Mostly a comment relating to all of Calypsis4's pretty pictures. Having relevant geo-pictures would be wonderful but may well not be a practical possibility. It's considered bad form to bring in graphics via sucking up someone elses bandwidth. You need to have such stored at some variety of your own site.

Edited by Minnemooseus, : Add smilie etc.


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Evolution - Changes in the environment, caused by the interactions of the components of the environment.

"Do not meddle in the affairs of cats, for they are subtle and will piss on your computer." - Bruce Graham

"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." - John Kenneth Galbraith

"Yesterday on Fox News, commentator Glenn Beck said that he believes President Obama is a racist. To be fair, every time you watch Glenn Beck, it does get a little easier to hate white people." - Conan O'Brien

"I know a little about a lot of things, and a lot about a few things, but I'm highly ignorant about everything." - Moose


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Message 17 of 31 (530298)
10-12-2009 9:52 PM


Izanagi is lucid
Putting things into the exact right words that I was much less adept at doing.

http://www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=msg&m=530290


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Message 18 of 31 (530322)
10-13-2009 12:11 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by Minnemooseus
10-12-2009 8:27 PM


Re: Roxrkool, at "The Flood, fossils, & the geologic evidence"
Why thank you, Moose... I think.

Geology is about the images, I know. Next time I'll endeavor to make my more detailed posts prettier. And better written. It never pays to rush replies.

Edited by roxrkool, : No reason given.


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Message 19 of 31 (530414)
10-13-2009 11:43 AM


Arphy for an honest attempt
Message 155 in Transitional Fossils and Quote Mining

Arphy may be nearly 100 % wrong and he'll get the post shredded in the next day or so (if people work at it) but he has made a good honest effort and the post is clear and well structured. It isn't all on topic but he's done no worse on that than most of us most of the time.


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Message 20 of 31 (530503)
10-13-2009 8:08 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by NosyNed
10-13-2009 11:43 AM


Re: Arphy for an honest attempt
Yeah I get why you nominated this. In the name of constructive debate we need more Arphy's on the creationist side of things.

I'll second this as a valid and genuine attempt to present an argument that I disagree with but that is heartfelt and honest and relatively well argued in it's execution.


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Message 21 of 31 (530515)
10-13-2009 9:11 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by NosyNed
10-13-2009 11:43 AM


Re: Arphy for an honest attempt
I'm frankly stunned. That was one of the most outstanding posts by a creationist I've ever seen. Arphy understood what Patterson was saying, and he raised the right points and asked the right questions. With all the quote mining we've seen lately I kept expecting Arphy to veer off into misinterpretations of Patterson, but he never did that. He instead asked pretty much the same questions that were occurring to me as I read Patterson's comments.

It isn't obvious that the Earth orbits the sun. We only know this because of mountains of little pieces of data gathered over centuries. We all know about the expanding universe, but how many of us are familiar enough with the detailed data and history to recount how we know this.

In the same way, it isn't obvious that evolution is responsible for the diversity of life. We only know about evolution because of mountains of little items of data gathered over centuries. We all know the basic principles of descent with modification and natural selection are supposed to work, but how many of us are familiar enough with the detailed data and history to recount how we can be so certain that evolution is how it really happened. I hope the evolutionists put in the necessary time and effort to explain it all.

--Percy


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Message 22 of 31 (531272)
10-16-2009 6:29 PM
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10-13-2009 9:11 PM


Re: Arphy for an honest attempt
I'm frankly stunned as well
Umm.... Thanks
Hope my latest replies in this thread don't cause you to take back your nominations by veering "off into misinterpretations of Patterson" . I think they are consistent but maybe i should have stopped while i was ahead Unfortunatly I only read this just now.

Cheers,

Arphy


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Message 23 of 31 (531286)
10-16-2009 8:33 PM
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10-16-2009 6:29 PM


Thanks Arphy!
Go, creationist lion! Thanks for representing our team and teaching us with the ability and understanding necessary to artfully articulate science debate topics for balance in the EvC science fora.

Edited by Buzsaw, : reword

Edited by Buzsaw, : change wording


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Message 24 of 31 (531908)
10-20-2009 12:51 PM


Modulous on Education
Message 19

This is so excellently laid out it is hard to pick a bit to represent it but the final paragraph seems to be pretty good on it's own:

But no doubt that will cause upset by the creationists. Just about anything you do will be considered controversial by one side of the debate or another no doubt - hence why my prime advice is to not go down that route at all and just teach the evolution exists, is in conflict with a literal interpretation of Genesis and you can debate some of the ways to handle this conflict.

That is, take a totally different tack than others have been discussing.

Good work, Mod!

Edited by Admin, : Fix message link.


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Message 25 of 31 (531998)
10-20-2009 7:47 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by NosyNed
10-20-2009 12:51 PM


Re: Modulous on Education
Your message link doesn't work


There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002

Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969

Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008


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Message 26 of 31 (532009)
10-20-2009 8:22 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by bluescat48
10-20-2009 7:47 PM


broken link
It does when I go to edit the source. What is shown there includes the message number - 19 and works.
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Minnemooseus
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Message 27 of 31 (532191)
10-21-2009 9:33 PM


dwise1, at "Creationists think Evolutionists think like Creationists"
Author: dwise1
Forum: Miscellaneous Topics in Creation/Evolution
Thread: Creationists think Evolutionists think like Creationists.
Message #: 9

The paragraph I really liked:

That's when I realized that they don't think at all like we do! We're trying to construct an integrated and self-consistent world-view by learning all we can about the world; everything we learn needs to fit together for it all to make any sense. They're not trying to build a consistent world-view; they're just attacking science. We cannot in honesty hold to several ideas that all directly contradict each other, whereas creationists have no problem doing that. So they can claim that the earth can't be more than 10,000 years old and that it's millions of years old, just so long as either (or a multitude of other estimates of the age of the earth) all contradict what science says. They will even include other claims that have absolutely nothing to do with evolution or creation or the age of the earth (eg, the ozone layer) if those claims constitute an attack against science.

I offhand think the above quoted might not be representative of all young Earth creationists, but I does characterize at least some of the more feverent ones.

Any further comment should go to the source topic.

Moose


Professor, geology, Whatsamatta U
Evolution - Changes in the environment, caused by the interactions of the components of the environment.

"Do not meddle in the affairs of cats, for they are subtle and will piss on your computer." - Bruce Graham

"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." - John Kenneth Galbraith

"Yesterday on Fox News, commentator Glenn Beck said that he believes President Obama is a racist. To be fair, every time you watch Glenn Beck, it does get a little easier to hate white people." - Conan O'Brien

"I know a little about a lot of things, and a lot about a few things, but I'm highly ignorant about everything." - Moose


  
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Message 28 of 31 (532258)
10-22-2009 10:35 AM


Truthlover lives up to his name
Author: Truthlover
Forum: Social and Religious Issues(Faith & Belief)
Thread: Heaven: How to Get In.
Message #: 29
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Truthlover stands alone as one of the Christians who lives out his faith on a daily basis. We know that he is not special or perfect, but I for one respect him as a knowledgeable man of the Bible.


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Message 29 of 31 (532273)
10-22-2009 11:53 AM
Reply to: Message 24 by NosyNed
10-20-2009 12:51 PM


Re: Modulous on Education
Heh thanks. Bit weird about that message id situation: Let me give it a go

Message 19

It seems to work in the preview.


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Minnemooseus
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Message 30 of 31 (533615)
11-01-2009 5:26 PM


Granny Magda, at "Squaring circles: direct biblical contradictions"
Author: Granny Magda
Forum: he Bible: Accuracy and Inerrancy
Thread: Squaring circles: direct biblical contradictions
Message #: 92

A nice 2 pronged message.

First of all, I think it was some nice commentary relevant to the topic's theme.

Secondly, it was valuable in dealing with a sticky moderation issue. The one forum moderator who was by far best suited for dealing with the topic was also one of the primary debaters in the topic.

Thank you for both prongs.

Minnemooseus/Adminnemooseus


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