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Author Topic:   Does Death Pose Challenge To Abiogenesis
Buzsaw
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Message 82 of 191 (533305)
10-29-2009 11:16 PM


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Heh. I see my message ratings suddenly nose dived after my comments relative to them, a few messages above. Goodby to fair minded message rating for Buzsaw's messages.
Edited by Buzsaw, : rephrase

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

  
Buzsaw
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Message 152 of 191 (533527)
10-31-2009 4:07 PM
Reply to: Message 151 by Modulous
10-31-2009 1:20 PM


Re: abiogenesis vs theogensis
Contents deleted due to accidental double post when I meant to edit.
Edited by Buzsaw, : as noted

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 153 of 191 (533531)
10-31-2009 4:31 PM
Reply to: Message 151 by Modulous
10-31-2009 1:20 PM


Re: abiogenesis vs theogensis
Modulos writes:
I think you'll probably find that Cedre's position is something along the lines of "God is the source of life and God is eternal and living. Life does not come from non-living materials, but from God." Cedre would argue that without a God that gives the life spirit to non-living matter, there would be no life.
The Genesis perspective is that the elements of the body came from the earth. From the elements, God designed the body. Then after the body was completed, God breathed into the body (having all that was necessary for life to function) the breath of life into the lifeless body. This all was accomplished within one 24 hour day.
So by this perspective, the pre-life designed body had all that was necessary for life except life itself which came from the spriri/breath of God himself, the creator and designer.
According to the
Wiki website which Meldinoor cited
relative to abiogenesis, there is no imperical standard current model for the origin of life and the various versions of how it happened are postulations. Therefore, imo, neither the Genesis account or the secularist postulations are falsifiable.
Note: On the link, schroll dow to "Current Models."

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 159 of 191 (533544)
10-31-2009 7:26 PM
Reply to: Message 154 by Modulous
10-31-2009 4:44 PM


Re: Abiogenesis Models
Modulous writes:
That doesn't follow at all. Just because there isn't a single agreed upon hypothesis for
a)how life might be able to originate
b)how life on earth did originate
doesn't mean that there are no such hypothesese
Wiki says, "Falsifiability (or refutability) is the logical possibility that an assertion can be shown false by an observation or a physical experiment."
Could you explain, as per the above, how postulations on alleged abiogenesis is more falsifyable than postulations on the alleged Genesis record relative to the origin of life?

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 162 of 191 (533551)
10-31-2009 9:06 PM
Reply to: Message 121 by Blue Jay
10-30-2009 10:32 AM


Re: The difference between "dead" and "not living"
Bluejay writes:
I showed you an example of an extremely simple system that readily and repeatedly decreases in entropy, which is a direct refutation of the central principle of your argument. Now, you have to support your thesis, or your entire argument fails.
Logically, your year in and year out, millennia in and millennia out water to ice crystals analogy is repetitive, indicatitive of no significant agregate growth progress to a more complex system over the millennia, whereas alleged abiogenesis would require significant progress over time towards complexity to effect the genesis of life, requiring an agregate lower state of entropy on the system than that of water to ice crystals.
Edited by Buzsaw, : fix spelling of millennia

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 163 of 191 (533553)
10-31-2009 9:34 PM


Re: Falsifyability
Modulous and Rrhain: Thank you for your responses.
I'm not going to go on my soap box to debate falsifyability of the Genesis origin of life in this thread, though, imo, the complexity of DNA would appear to be a model as falsifyable for ID relative to the Genesis record life origin as what you have cited for abiogenesis.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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