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Peg
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Message 164 of 179 (534131)
11-05-2009 6:28 AM
Reply to: Message 154 by DevilsAdvocate
11-05-2009 4:15 AM


DevilsAdvocate writes:
Where in the Bible does it say Adam was over 100 years old when he was expelled? Are you sure you are not making this up?
Genesis 5:3And Adam lived on for a hundred and thirty years. Then he became father to a son in his likeness, in his image, and called his name Seth
Seth was not the firstborn but he is the 3rd son mentioned of the children of Adam and Eve. Cain and Able were born previously, and daughters were also born before Seth came along (from one of these daughters, Cain took as a wife) But if you think about it, If the 3rd son was born when Adam was 130yrs of age, and he didnt have any children until he left the garden of Eden, so he must have been at least 100 when he left the garden.
If he had a child every 5 years (i'm being very conservative here) That would mean at age 100 he had Cain, at 105 he had Able, at 110 he had daughter 1, at 115 Daughter 2, at 120 Daughter 3, at 125 Daughter 4 and finally at 130 Seth.
this is pure speculation, the bible doesnt say how old he was when he left Eden, but it does say how old he was when he fathered his 3rd Son. Mathematical probablility tells us that if you have 10 kids, you'll likely get a fairly even mix of both sexes and in 30 years a couple can have quite a few children.
Edited by Peg, : and in 30 years a couple can have quite a few children. added

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Peg
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Message 168 of 179 (534223)
11-05-2009 11:47 PM
Reply to: Message 165 by DevilsAdvocate
11-05-2009 7:28 AM


DevilsAdvocate writes:
How do you know Adam and Even were not 20, 30, 40, 50, 60, etc years old when they had children.
The account says they had intercourse AFTER they left the garden and cain was born. Sometime thereafter they had Able. They also had some daughters but by the age of 130yrs, the account says that Seth, the 3rd son was born.
We know that Seth came immediatiatly after Able becasue in Genesis 4:25 its says that after the death of Able, Eve had another son whom she said was appointed in place of Able.
"And Adam proceeded to have intercourse again with his wife and so she gave birth to a son and called his name Seth, because, as she said: God has appointed another seed in place of Abel, because Cain killed him.
So this shows that Adams sons began with Cain, Able then Seth. And we are told that Adam was 130yrs of age when he had Seth.
Genesis 5:3 "And Adam lived on for a hundred and thirty years. Then he became father to a son in his likeness, in his image, and called his name Seth"
For arguments sake im willing to say that they were 50 when they left Eden. They had no children in Eden so Cain was born when Adam was maybe 52 yrs old. There are 80 years before Seth the 3rd son is born as Genesis says Adam was 130yrs old.
Now how likely is it that out of all the children they could have had in 80 years, only 3 were male? Its highly unlikely that all the other children were girls. And in 80 years he could have had 40 children, thats 1 every 2 years.

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Peg
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Message 173 of 179 (534242)
11-06-2009 7:04 AM
Reply to: Message 170 by DevilsAdvocate
11-06-2009 5:25 AM


all i can say is that you are not very good with your logic
let me put it simply. If Adam was 130 years old when they had Seth, and Seth was the first male after the death of Able, then why is it impossible that Adam could have been over 100 years old when he left Eden?
Do you really think that in 30 years, Adam and Eve only had 3 children?
DevilsAdvocate writes:
Yes, but the Bible does not say how old they were when they left Eden. You are totally fabricating an age to justify your baseless claim.
It does not matter how old they were when they left eden...the fact is that Adam was 130yrs old when he had Seth who came directly after Able who came directly after Cain the firstborn.
Anyway, I did say I was speculating. No need to call me a liar.

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Peg
Member (Idle past 4956 days)
Posts: 2703
From: melbourne, australia
Joined: 11-22-2008


Message 177 of 179 (534338)
11-06-2009 11:00 PM
Reply to: Message 174 by DevilsAdvocate
11-06-2009 7:19 AM


DevilsAdvocate writes:
we have no clue based on what is given in Genesis 1-5.
i disagree
we do have clue.
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