Does the Book of Mormon contradict the Bible?

Hi Bluejay, No it doesn't, You gave no reason for them to receive the ice cream.You only said they get ice cream.You are equating your statement with you will receive ice cream "If you have blonde-hair".The Bible plainly states if you believe on Jesus you will not be condemned. I take that to mean you have eternal life, a present posession.The Bible plainly states if you do not believe on Jesus you are already condemned. I take that to mean you have eternal death, a present posession. This verse also gives the only reason a person is condemned already to the lake of fire."because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God".It says nothing about church membership, baptism, good works, keeping the faith or anything else. Simply none belief.I understand the word belief there to mean. Believing that God is and He will honor His Word to save all who trust Him and receive His gift to mankind. Dictionary definition of gift.Gift = 1. Something that is bestowed voluntarily and without compensation SourceA legal definition of gift from a legal dictionary. SourcePlease explain how God could give me the "gift" of eternal life then require me to do something in order to receive said eternal life and it still remain a gift.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Bluejay, Where in the following statement did you say anything about you giving the ice cream to those who had blonde hair? Message 222You mentioned no source of the ice cream. What part of belief cause's eternal life not to be a gift?Here are the definitions again as you ignored them the first time.Dictionary definition of gift.Gift = 1. Something that is bestowed voluntarily and without compensation SourceA legal definition of gift from a legal dictionary. SourceThere is a big difference. You got the horse at the wrong end of the wagon. Speak for yourself.I believe eternal life is a gift of God that you can only receive. Why? Since I believe it is a totally free gift that you can not earn, buy, or do any good deed to obtain.Let me give an illustration.
One Sunday morning at the end of the service I pulled out a $20 dollar bill and announced I would give it to anyone who came and got it. I talked for another two minutes and made the offer a second time. I then talked for three more minutes and made the announcement again. One of the adults convinced his son who was 5 years old to come down to the front and get the $20.When he got to the front the first words out of his mouth was, "are you really going to give it to me"?Evidently no one believed I would give them the $20.I handed him the $20 and then I said:God offeres eternal life the same way. He has made the offer all you have to do is receive it.Now you tell me how you could receive it if you did not believe God existed and would give you the gift?God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Bluejay, I did not ask him to do anything.I made an announcement that anyone who would come get the $20 could have it.God says anyone can have eternal life.All anyone has to do is to accept the offer.Now explain how you or anyone can accept the offer if you do not believe in God, or you do not believe He will give you eternal life.Now according to the definition of gift I would have had to received compensation of some kind for the $20 not to be a gift. His walking to the front only benefited him not me. He was $20 richer, and I was $20 poorer. Had he not come got the $20 I would have been better off. It doesn't make any difference what I think, or believe.It is not my game and I don't make the rules.God said through the Apostle John: That is a declarative statement of a completed action.There is no place in that statement that says you have to do anything. You are free to do anything you want to do as well as believe anything you want to believe. It is totally up to you.Do you know how a pardon works?In 1829 George Wilson was convicted and sentenced to hang. President Andrew Jackson offered him a pardon which he refused. The supreme court ruled they could not force him to accept the pardon so the sentence was carried out.God has offered just such a pardon to everyone a full free pardon all anyone has to do is accept it. But there is no one that can force someone to accept the pardon. Neither will God force anyone.Now you can shovel out another load of your shinola or explain how someone believing God has benefited God anything causing eternal life not to be a gift.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi ochaye, Patronizing or not that is the way it is.People have pride, but you call it dignity. Are you sure you want what you deserve? I sure don't.Do it your way. God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Bluejay, What difference does it make what Mormons believe or do not believe?What difference does it make what I believe or do not believe?The only thing that matters is what God says as that is what we will be judged by when we stand in the day of judgment.God says: That is what God has to say about the matter. We can accept it or reject it.God said it and that settles it.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Bluejay, That is a lot easier than refuting God's Word.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Bluejay, Where in the text is that statement made?There are 613 commandments in the Torah, which Jesus refered to when He said: "thou knowest the commandments".How many people have kept those 613 commandments from their youth up?The young man was lying to begin with. Those that believe have eternal life.Eternal Greek word transliterated aionios Primary meaning, 1) without beginning and end,Therefore if you have eternal life it will never end.
You receive eternal life when you are born again by the Spirit of God.Quite a fuss has been made over my claim that all a person has to do is believe. Making believing out to be some sort of work in order to obtain eternal life.Lets examine the word translated believe:Believe is translated from the Greek word transliterated pisteu
Primary meaning,
1) to think to be true, to be persuaded of, to credit, place confidence ina) of the thing believed1) to credit, have confidencePlease tell me which part of believing is a work? And that is based upon what?God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Bluejay,I was refering to the statement:

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"Keep the commandments, and you will have eternal life.

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That statement appears in no translations I know of so I just wondered where you got it from.

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Mat 19:16 Now a man came up to Jesus and asked, "Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?"
Mat 19:17 "Why do you ask me about what is good?" Jesus replied. "There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments."
Mat 19:18 "Which ones?" the man inquired. Jesus replied, " 'Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony,
Mat 19:19 honor your father and mother,' [fn] and 'love your neighbor as yourself.'
Mat 19:20 "All these I have kept," the young man said. "What do I still lack?"
Mat 19:21 Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."
Mat 19:22 When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth.

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I must be blind as I can't find that statement in the verses you presented.I find where the young man asked what he had to do to get eternal life.I find where Jesus said: "If you want to enter life, obey the commandments." Enter life does not say anything about eternal life. The Greek language used only supports animated life nothing to do with the spirit being quickened, born again.I find where he lied saying he had kept the commandments. He wouldn't have had all those posessions if he loved his neighbor as much as he loved himself.I find where Jesus told him if he wanted to be perfect to go sell his posessions and give to the poor.I find where Jesus said if he did this he would have treasure in heaven.I do not find where Jesus said he would have eternal life, if he did all those things.I find where Jesus said: "Then come, follow me."I find where the young man chose not to follow Jesus. From the freedictionary.com
contingency
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a. An event that may occur but that is not likely or intended; a possibility.
b. A possibility that must be prepared for; a future emergency.
2. The condition of being dependent on chance; uncertainty.
3. Something incidental to something else.In Message 286 I gave the definition of believe as used in Matthew.

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1) to think to be true, to be persuaded of, to credit, place confidence in

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How can your coming to a conclusion in your mind after being presuaded by the Holy Spirit after hearing the gospel be anything other than a happening?You have said it is not a work.
I don't see how you could classify it as a contingency.So maybe you can enlighten me.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi iano,Thanks I needed that I was so bogged down in the forest I could not see the trees.God Bless and keep you and yours,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Bluejay, The dictionary says:

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From the freedictionary.com
contingency
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a. An event that may occur but that is not likely or intended; a possibility.
b. A possibility that must be prepared for; a future emergency.
2. The condition of being dependent on chance; uncertainty.
3. Something incidental to something else.

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Bluejay says:

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A contingency is a precondition.

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I really thought a contingency was plan b in case plan a did not work. Can you name me one person that has ever lived on the face of the earth that has kept all 613 of the commandments since they were given?I can name one and only one. His name was Emmanuel. Which means "God with us". We call Him Jesus.If only one person could have kept those commandments Emmanuel would not have died on the cross to pay the sin debt.That man would still be in paradise walking and talking with God just as he did the day he was formed from the dust of the ground.
He only had one command and could not even keep it.Now if you or anyone else has the impression that I believe a person can be born again and live like the devil and still go to heaven let me make things perfectly clear on what I believe, teach, and fight a battle daily as Paul did to live.I believe God in a physical form we call Jesus came to earth and died on the cross of calvary to make it possible for man to be restored to the same condition the man in the garden was prior to his disobedience by eating the fruit.I believe you are totally passive in the salvation process. As the Holy Spirit convicts you of your need to trust God to do what He says He will do. Upon that trust a person's spirit is born of the Spirit of God and sealed until the day of redemption.I believe that a person who is born again will do as Saul did on the road to Damascus. He said "Lord what would you have me to do"? He spent the rest of his life trying to do the will of God. So I believe a born again person "WILL" follow Jesus.Therefore I believe they will put the two commandments Jesus gave us into practice. I believe they will present themselves to a scriptural NT Church, receive scriptural Baptism, continue in fellowship, then in breaking of bread, (Lord's Supper). I believe they will engage themselves in the commission Jesus gave to His Church to make disciples as they go through this world, baptizing them and then teaching them the doctrines He taught.Since I believe Jesus as He said in John 10:27:

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John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
John 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any [man] pluck them out of my hand.

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There are no options.If we are born again and known by Jesus we will follow Him.If a person does not follow Jesus he will hear Him say: "depart from me ye that work iniquity, I never knew you".Because of this I believe that less than 4% of the people who claim to be christians today have eternal life.So you see we do have similar beliefs, just in a different order.I believe you receive eternal life when you are born again then you live for God because you love Him and appreciate what He did for you, not in order to receive eternal life.You believe you keep the commandments of God in order to receive eternal life and if you don't suceed in keeping His commandments you don't get eternal life with God but a lessor eternal life with less glory in hell.
Please correct me if this is not what you believe as that is what I gather from your posts to me in this thread.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi iano, I thought Paul did a good job straight to the point. Saved by the grace of God through faith.Salvation is a gift of God. You can't earn, buy or steal a gift.No works involved in being saved. If there was you could boast.We are created through Jesus to do good works. Those who are born again will do good works.So the BOM contradicts the Bible.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Bluejay, Where?You quote part of Matthew 19:17.

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Matthew 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? [there is] none good but one, [that is], God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

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Where does this verse say anything about "eternal life"?You are not in a lab or an english class.You are discussing a passage of scripture that was originally written in Koine Greek, then translated into English.The Greek word translated as life has nothing to do with eternal life.It comes from the Greek word translitered as z which means: 1) life
a) the state of one who is possessed of vitality or is animate. It simply means a live breathing human being.Had the author intended "eternal life" he would have used the Greek word transliterated as ainios which means: 1) without beginning and end, that which always has been and always will be.So if we are talking about a human we would be talking about life that will never end.Lets examine Matthew 19:16.

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Mat 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

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Who is doing the talking? A specific person. Not a group or mankind.
What is he talking about? Specifically what he has to do to have eternal life. What good thing shall I do?What was the answer he got to his question? He really did not get one to that question.Jesus told him what he had to do to enter into life. He did not tell him what he had to do to receive eternal life.Jesus did tell him what he had to do to have treasures in heaven.But treasures are not eternal life.Conclusion Matthew 19:17 is not talking about eternal life therefore it can not be associating eternal life with works.

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Mat 19:28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

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No eternal life mentioned there as Jesus tells the apostles of a reward they will receive for having followed Him. This is not addressed to the 12 but to all mankind.An inheritance is something you obtain by birthright not anything you do.You can also receive an inheritance by gift.So they don't get the inheritance by working for it, as that would make it wages or a reward for services rendered.Conclusion:Nowhere have you shown the Bible teaches you can obtain eternal life by doing good works.In fact the Bible teaches the exact opposite.Does the Bible say for by grace are ye saved through faith. Yes/No
Does the Bible say it is a Gift of God? Yes/No

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Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:

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Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin [is] death; but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

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Does the Bible say, "Not of works" ? Yes/No
Does the Bible say, lest any man should boast? Yes/No

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Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

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Does the Bible say, we are His workmanship? Yes/No
Does the Bible say, we are created in Christ Jesus unto good works? Yes/No
Does these verses say we are created and obtain eternal life in good works? Yes/No

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Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

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Does the BOM teach you are saved by grace through faith? Yes/No give scripture.Does the BOM teach you receive eternal life by works? Yes/No give scripture.Does the BOM teach you are saved by grace + works? Yes/No give scripture.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."