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DevilsAdvocate
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Message 471 of 530 (537307)
11-28-2009 5:43 AM
Reply to: Message 466 by Peg
11-28-2009 2:46 AM


Re: Darwin about falsification
But with regard to Darwin, i dont disrespect the man, i disrespect his theory. I can understand why he came up with the theory though and i dont think it was because of scientific discovery.
How can you disrespect the theory when you don't even understand the basics of that theory?
Peg, this is disengenuous, bigoted, prejudice and wrong in its highest form.
Darwin spent his ENTIRE life committing his life to scientific discovery. He spend hours upon hours studying life from microscopic to the macroscopic and even with his limited scientific tools of the day came up with one of the greatest scientific discoveries in human history. You can't even come close to the amount of research he did into this scientific field so who are you to judge?
I agree with Parasomnium. If you are going to cast stones at least read the man's work first.

One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We're no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It is simply too painful to acknowledge -- even to ourselves -- that we've been so credulous. - Carl Sagan, The Fine Art of Baloney Detection
"You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe." - Carl Sagan
"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World

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Message 476 of 530 (537355)
11-28-2009 8:41 AM
Reply to: Message 475 by Peg
11-28-2009 8:34 AM


Re: Darwin about falsification
it sounds simple enough
so simple in fact that scientists should be able to reproduce that simple process in a lab, right?
They are it just takes time. We are attempting to recreate in years what occurred over billions of years.
Scientists have already recreated the lipid cell membrane of cells and are working on the protein gates and other fundamental structures of cells.
It is just a matter of time.

One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We're no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It is simply too painful to acknowledge -- even to ourselves -- that we've been so credulous. - Carl Sagan, The Fine Art of Baloney Detection
"You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe." - Carl Sagan
"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World

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Message 481 of 530 (537401)
11-28-2009 11:00 AM
Reply to: Message 479 by Peg
11-28-2009 8:50 AM


Re: Darwin about falsification
It depends on what you are talking about. They are using basic molecular building blocks such as lipids, proteins, etc to build cells from scratch. These basic building blocks already occur naturally so using them does nothing to take away from the fact that this could occur naturally at one point in our biological history. Of course our method of synthesizing a cell from scratch skips over many of the intermediate steps that may have taken place i.e. RNA world hypothesis, etc. but these too are being replicated. Again we are trying to replicate in a lab something that had the entire planet as a lab and took place over billions of years. Not an easy endeavor.

One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We're no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It is simply too painful to acknowledge -- even to ourselves -- that we've been so credulous. - Carl Sagan, The Fine Art of Baloney Detection
"You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe." - Carl Sagan
"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World

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Message 493 of 530 (537517)
11-29-2009 6:51 AM
Reply to: Message 490 by Peg
11-29-2009 4:57 AM


Re: cell reproduction
But in order for the cell to live at all, it needs all of its parts to do so.
What an uneducated and ignorant claim. And what 'parts' would those be? Are you saying you have systematically checked every single cell on Earth and tested each one to determine if you remove a 'part' that it would cease to survive? I think not. Can you be a little less ambiguous and more scientific here?

One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We're no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It is simply too painful to acknowledge -- even to ourselves -- that we've been so credulous. - Carl Sagan, The Fine Art of Baloney Detection
"You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe." - Carl Sagan
"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World

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Message 494 of 530 (537518)
11-29-2009 6:54 AM
Reply to: Message 483 by Peg
11-28-2009 9:11 PM


Re: Darwin about falsification
the DNA and the protein evolved both separately and together
The DNA and protein in cells are interdependent on each other and are subject to the same environmental factors and thus CAN evolve together. A change in DNA would directly cause changes to proteins and other biomolecular chemicals in the cell and thus a mutation in DNA would result in a direct change in protein configuration in many cases. Please show why they could not.

One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We're no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It is simply too painful to acknowledge -- even to ourselves -- that we've been so credulous. - Carl Sagan, The Fine Art of Baloney Detection
"You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe." - Carl Sagan
"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World

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