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ICANT
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Message 11 of 77 (539594)
12-17-2009 1:20 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by cavediver
12-16-2009 7:17 AM


Re: Life
Hi cavediver,
cavediver writes:
Evolution stands and falls on its own evidence. It doesn't require and it doesn't imply abiogenesis.
Would you agree that for evolution to take place you would first need a life form?
cavediver writes:
If "chemical soup" abiogenesis was proved to be impossible, and let's go further and say it was proved that in fact the first life was made up of complex cells that were created by god, then what on earth does this say about the ability of those created cells to evolve? Nothing...
Would you agree that if abiogenesis is impossible there would be no life form to evolve?
Would you agree that if the God of Genesis created all the different kinds as stated in Genesis there would be no need for evolution beyond that which is observed and reproducible in a species?
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 15 of 77 (539613)
12-17-2009 4:22 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by Briterican
12-17-2009 3:35 PM


Re: Life
Hi Briterican,
Glad to see you agree if there is no life there is nothing to evolve.
But was disapointed at the second part where you stated my question then just went into an example and ask me a question.
I probably should not answer your question until you answer mine but what the heck.
Briterican writes:
Do YOU think that natural selection would, over a vast stretch of future time, lead to new species and greater complexity? Or would God have to show up and save the day in some fashion?
1. Well since I believe God created all the different kinds in the beginning and there was no need for evolution except what is observed and reproducible within the kinds, I do not believe natural selection would ever replace anything.
2. When the heavens and the earth melt with fervent heat God will create a new heaven and earth and refurnish it.
But there have been many times over the history of the earth that there was extinction events that took place. Then all of a sudden a lot of new life forms appeared. Not super long periods of time.
God did not stop creating until about 6,000 years ago.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 20 of 77 (539630)
12-17-2009 5:50 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by Briterican
12-17-2009 4:47 PM


Re: Life
Hi Briterican,
Briterican writes:
I agreed to no such thing. I said that if no life form ever existed, then there would be no life form to evolve.
Sorry about mispeaking there by changing the word life to the word nothing as I was only thinking in terms of life.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 23 of 77 (539633)
12-17-2009 6:11 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by Meldinoor
12-17-2009 5:57 PM


Re: change is not the issue
Hi Meldinoor,
Meldinoor writes:
While a Creator certainly could have created these similarities in DNA for no reason at all, in order to create the illusion that all life on earth shares a common origin, this is not a parsimonious explanation for the evidence.
From Genesis chapter 2 I understand that God formed all creatures from the ground (common origin). So every creature would be composed of the same elements so why would God need to create and illusion?
Just wondering.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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