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Wotak Junior Member (Idle past 1199 days)  Posts: 13 From: Detroit, MI Joined: |
I would like an in-depth lecture on this biological/genetic trait. I don't remember ever covering this in my years of biological study. Could you please start a new thread to educate the masses on this great discovery of the sinner gene? It almost sounds to me as if you've sort of taken Darwins theory and bastardized it into some sort of ridiculous ID type thing with less fact and even more ridiculous. Can you elaborate? Edited by Wotak, : Added second quote
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hooah212002 Member  Posts: 2927 Joined: Member Rating: 9.7 |
Are you suggesting we descended from non-humans?
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Peg Member (Idle past 873 days)  Posts: 2703 From: melbourne, australia Joined: |
The account says they had intercourse AFTER they left the garden and cain was born. Sometime thereafter they had Able. They also had some daughters but by the age of 130yrs, the account says that Seth, the 3rd son was born. We know that Seth came immediatiatly after Able becasue in Genesis 4:25 its says that after the death of Able, Eve had another son whom she said was appointed in place of Able. "And Adam proceeded to have intercourse again with his wife and so she gave birth to a son and called his name Seth, because, as she said: “God has appointed another seed in place of Abel, because Cain killed him. So this shows that Adams sons began with Cain, Able then Seth. And we are told that Adam was 130yrs of age when he had Seth. Genesis 5:3 "And Adam lived on for a hundred and thirty years. Then he became father to a son in his likeness, in his image, and called his name Seth" For arguments sake im willing to say that they were 50 when they left Eden. They had no children in Eden so Cain was born when Adam was maybe 52 yrs old. There are 80 years before Seth the 3rd son is born as Genesis says Adam was 130yrs old. Now how likely is it that out of all the children they could have had in 80 years, only 3 were male? Its highly unlikely that all the other children were girls. And in 80 years he could have had 40 children, thats 1 every 2 years.
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iano Member  Posts: 6161 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
Define 'human' and the answer'd likely be no.
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DevilsAdvocate Member  Posts: 1379 Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
Yes, but the Bible does not say how old they were when they left Eden. You are totally fabricating an age to justify your baseless claim.
I am not arguing against this. I am asking why are you fabricating an age for when they left Eden. It is total conjecture.
Where the heck did you pull up 50 years? Do you just make this shit up as you go?
?? Where the heck did you get these numbers from? The only figure the Bible speaks of is that Seth is born when Adam was 130 years old.
You are not very good with logic are you Peg. Let's analyze this shall we. The average ratio for having boys and girls is roughly 51% boys to 49% girls as seen by a number of different studies (these two were was interesting: The Odds of Having a Boy or a Girl and Why do some families have all boys or all girls?). This percentage does not change with the number of children you have. That is with each birth the chance of having a boy or girl is nearly 50/50 (a flip of coin). Even if you look at the world population there is only a 0.8% difference between the number of males and the number of females in the world. Furthermore, there are 8 possible outcomes for having 3 children (23=8): B=Boy / G=Girl BBB, GGG, BBG, BGB, BGG, GBB, GBG, GGB Therefore the chances of having 3 boys back to back is 1/8 or 12.5% which is not very difficult odds. However, we are not even 100% from the Biblical account that Adam and Even did not have other children inbetween Cain and Abel and their son Seth.
The Bible only mentions the firstborn male children to show a line of descendancy. Since Abel was killed and Cain was banished, Seth became that first-born for all intensive purposes. As to how many children and of what sex the other children Adam and Eve later had, the Bible is mute. So you have no clue how many children they had after Cain and Abel and before Seth or after Seth and what sex they were. So stop making shit up.
I give up. Just make the Bible say whatever you want it to say. And you wonder why many of us are no longer religious. You argue against one of the most proven scientific theories in history accepted by well over 99% of all scientists worldwide and with mountains of emperical evidence and over 100 years of research and then you willy-nilly lie and fabricate out of thin air justifications, baseless claims for your made up religion. You even make up claims that even your very own religious book does not state. Amazing! “One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We're no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It is simply too painful to acknowledge -- even to ourselves -- that we've been so credulous.” - Carl Sagan, The Fine Art of Baloney Detection "You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe." - Carl Sagan "It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World
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AdminPD Inactive Administrator |
Tie arguments back to the topic. Thanks Usually, in a well-conducted debate, speakers are either emotionally uncommitted or can preserve sufficient detachment to maintain a coolly academic approach.-- Encylopedia Brittanica, on debate
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hooah212002 Member Posts: 2927 Joined: Member Rating: 9.7 |
You said A&E were'nt human. How could your answer be no? Or are you saying we aren't descended from A&E? {ABE}oops, sorry PD. Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given. Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given.
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Peg Member (Idle past 873 days) Posts: 2703 From: melbourne, australia Joined: |
all i can say is that you are not very good with your logic let me put it simply. If Adam was 130 years old when they had Seth, and Seth was the first male after the death of Able, then why is it impossible that Adam could have been over 100 years old when he left Eden? Do you really think that in 30 years, Adam and Eve only had 3 children?
It does not matter how old they were when they left eden...the fact is that Adam was 130yrs old when he had Seth who came directly after Able who came directly after Cain the firstborn. Anyway, I did say I was speculating. No need to call me a liar.
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DevilsAdvocate Member Posts: 1379 Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
I never said it was impossible. I said it is unsubstantiated meaning we have no clue based on what is given in Genesis 1-5.
What 30 years are you talking about? All it mentions is in Genesis 5 is that after Adam lived 130 years before he had Seth.
Who knows? Maybe. Again it is pure speculation. You made the statement, I quote "He was over 100 years old when he was expelled from Eden." To me this tells me you are making a hard and fast statement. However, I will acquisce for the sake of not dragging this thread further off topic. “One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We're no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It is simply too painful to acknowledge -- even to ourselves -- that we've been so credulous.” - Carl Sagan, The Fine Art of Baloney Detection "You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe." - Carl Sagan "It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World
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iano Member Posts: 6161 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
I was describing Adam and Eve in the garden at the time of their choosing. At that time "they weren't human in the sense that we are human". They didn't have a knowledge of good and evil at that point. We do. We're descended from them. They were human in the same sense that we are human when their children were conceived. They had a knowledge of good and evil at that point. Just like their offspring - us. Call it a family-trait if you like. Or a shared spiritual DNA Edited by iano, : No reason given.
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hooah212002 Member Posts: 2927 Joined: Member Rating: 9.7 |
Edited by hooah212002, : clarification Edited by hooah212002, : more clerical errors Edited by AdminPD, : Off Topic
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Peg Member (Idle past 873 days) Posts: 2703 From: melbourne, australia Joined: |
i disagree we do have clue.
Edited by AdminPD, : Off Topic
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saab93f Member Posts: 120 From: Finland Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
I am nothing short of appalled about the amount of support that is given to the atrocities of the OT. There is nor ever has been justification for the genocide. The lack of sympathy towards the children that were punished for the deeds of their parents is just mind-boggling. An omnipotent creator...my ass. I do not think that history has ever "known" a bigger failure than that of abrahamic god.
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jaywill Member Posts: 3719 From: VA USA Joined: |
Edited by AdminPD, : Rude off topic remarks rendered invisible.
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