Species/Kinds (for Peg...and others)

Hi Nuggin, Question, "What about coyotes foxes and bushdogs and maned wolves"?Your words, "These are not wolves".Then they are not of the wolf kind.Question, "Are they each a different kind"?Maybe, maybe not.Question, "are all canids one kind"?Your statement, "These are not wolves", answer that question.Though all may be hybrids.But all of that would preceed the statements made in Genesis 1:11-25 taking place, some 6,000 years ago.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Rahvin, Sure I would and do.If I am not mistaken you believe life started from whatever by whatever means it came to exist and that life form has evolved into all life forms on the earth today and all those that has become extinct.If that was correct, then your assessments could possibly be correct.I believe that in the beginning God created all living creatures on the face of the earth.An extinction event took place about 10,000 years ago after which God called certain creatures and plants into existence after their kind. These creatures being called forth after their kind which had already existed is the reason for the kinds of the Bible. None of those animals had to be pure breds. They could have been as well as hybrids. The Bible only says they came forth after their kind.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Rahvin, I would not agree that I am the kind of human you are talking about.I was created in the image/likeness of God. I have a mind, a body and a spirit. I can think, reason, and make decisions and draw conclusions based on that thinking and reasoning. I can then sit in front of my monitor and type these things so you and others can read them.That makes my kind of creature different from any other kind of creature on the face of the earth.After you ask the above question you go on to ask several which has nothing to do with the discussion of kinds. I refuse the bait.Now back to kinds.A male and female human breeding will produce a human.
Do you agree or disagree?A male and female ape breeding will produce an ape.
Do you agree or disagree?A male and female dog breeding will produce dog pups.
Do you agree or disagree?The list could go on until you had every creature on earth included that reproduces by mating.The same Kind of male and female will produce the same kind that they are and will never produce any other kind of a creature.
Do you agree or disagree?It has never been documented otherwise. It has been postulated that millions of little changes over a long period of time will produce all the different kinds we have today.
Do you have such documentation?It has been said there are mountains of evidence of such taking place. I have been waiting for almost 3 years for some of that evidence to be presented. None has been presented yet.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi ZenMonkey, Where did I say a dog could not produce a hybrid?I did say and do so again:A female dog and a male dog will produce dog pups and nothing else.A female wolf and a male wolf will produce wolf pups and nothing else.Can a male dog and a female dog produce something other than dog pups? Yes/No would do fine.Can a female wolf and a male wolf produce something other than wolf pups? Yes/No would do fine.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Rahvin,I kept this separate. The event I referred to is the North American terminal extinction event Here You find a study that says:

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Recent evidence for extraterrestrial impact, although not yet compelling, needs further testing because a remarkable major perturbation occurred at 10,900 B.P. that needs to be explained.

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Here You find a paper with many paper and studies linked to it concerning the extinction event of 10,000 to 12,000 YBP

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Coyote, And that evidence is...What?God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Rahvin, The kind of human you are talking about does not have a spirit. You can classifiy anything, anyway you desire. But if you tell me that bicycle grew up over a billion years to be a 747 jet aircraft I won't pay much attention to what you say. If all creatures was created by one designer wouldn't He use the same designs where possible in different creatures.That is what man does.That is what science teaches. As per your above comparisons.But because two things look alike does not mean they are the same thing or had the same origin.Cocaine looks like a White crystalline powder but they are two competely different substances. So you agree there are different kinds. You just want to classify them different than the Bible. So as to support your belief. A line from Mr Ed the talking horse. I didn't know you was that old.But why can't a horse just be a horse?
He is nothing else. Even if he does have four legs, two eyes, a backbone, a long tail, a head, ears, or mouth like an elephant, cow, dog, wolf or etc. None of those make a horse a elephant, cow, dog, wolf or whatever might have all those features. At present we have over 500 hybrid dog breeds that we have created by cross breeding. We have even got to the point we claim many of those hybrids are purebreds. They are all mixed breeds. We can never agree on the classifications of kinds.I believe in Biblical kinds.
They were created fully grown and functional and those creatures produce creatures like themselves.You believe in one kind which has produced all living creatures and plants on planet earth. Everything being classified under that kind according to what is believed happened in the theory of evolution of the species.How is there any way we could ever agree?God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi greyseal, Do you think that would be more enlightning than all the hundreds of specimans I built cabinet storage for in a University? I had to build the cabinets for specific specimans therefore I had to measure the specimans. That means I got a pretty good look at them. Those specimans are being used to teach our scientist and doctors of tomorrow.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Straggler, According to the Hebrew word and Greek word translated whale they are a sea monster kind.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Ranvin, Actually you are talking about the evolutionary classification by morphology. I know you are not. Because you believe man evolved from that single cell first life form. Which if he did does not have a spirit. Last I checked we still live in a country where you can talk about anything you want too. I don't mind you trying. In fact I would like to see the evidence that convinced you that you did. Actually you are talking about the evolutionary classification of life forms. But you pretend to care as you keep asking what I think a kind is. But I don't have any "kinds". God has "kinds" that produce like kind.Modern taxonomy has one life form "kind" that has produced all life forms present today and those that are extinct.Taxonomy is a detail of what man thinks evolution produced. You are talking about all "kinds" which according to evolution came from one life form "kind".I am talking about all present life forms coming from their own "kind" not a single life form "kind". Why do we need taxonomy?Its only purpose is to prove evolution. I am glad you agree that mans classification does not prove origins.But I don't see what your confusion is caused by.The only way mankind could have a spirit is if it was put there by a creator.If mankind evolved from a primate he/she has no spirit and is like all other animals. Nothing but an animal.Although when I look at mankind today and the way they act and carry on business I am beginning to truly wonder if some of them are not just animals because that is what they act like. But that could be caused by them being taught that they are nothing but an animal. Then my classification is "Mankind".I belong to no other group as I was created in the image/likeness of God. We walk on different sides of the track. But it is good to see we agree and science agrees with us that there are different "kinds"The problem arises when I say God created all those different "kinds" in the beginning. They were not created in Genesis 1:11-25.And in your belief system they came from a single cell life form "kind". I am going to have a hard time evolving from my sons. So I think you should have said ancestor.So I look very much like the man created in Genesis 1:27 some 6,000+ years ago who is my ancestor. Which is evolution that you said earlier you was not talking about. I agree.It just says that they produce after their "kind". So however many kinds we got today and those extinct is the number of "kinds" God created in the beginning. Genesis 1:1 and the history thereof. Modern taxonomic classification is incompatible with Bible "kinds" because it assumes all life forms evolved from a single cell life form "kind".There is no way to bring the two into agreement.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Chippo,Welcome to EvC. I am glad you said most as you missed Message 331 as everyone else has where I said: Well I did not say the goldfish and the blue whale were the same kind. The goldfish as his name implies is a gold colored, "fish kind".The whale would be a sea serpent kind. NoGod less,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Iblis, What does the Hebrew word dag translated fish have to do with the Hebrew word tanniyn translated whale? The Hebrew word livyathan is transliterated into English as leviathan. It does mean sea monster, dragon or something else as the exact meaning is not known. Jonah was never in the belly of a whale. God prepared a "gadowl
dag" which is a very large fish. No whale, or sea monster just a very large fish of the fish kind.Ketos is used one time in the NT in Matthew 12:40. There are other words for fish used in the NT.But what does this have to do with different kinds?All "kinds" that are present today was present prior to Genesis 1:2. With the exception of the only kinds created in Genesis 1:11-27 this sea monster whale kind in verse 21 and modern mankind in verse 27.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi hooah, NoNoNoNothing to compare to but a red X.No thing has ever evolved into another thing. Even though some of those things may have mixed with other things creating hybrids.Maybe you will get the idea sooner or later that I believe all kinds are created as they were prior to Genesis 1:2. The only kinds that have been changed are the ones man has tampered with, and the two new kinds created in Genesis 1:20 and 27.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Chippo, Actually the goldfish is of the goldfish kind.A jellyfish is of he jellyfish kind.Why does Biblical kinds have to be broken down like science wants to catalog everything?God created every individual kind that existed prior to Genesis 1:2. From those kinds He called into existence things after their kind in Genesis 1:2-2:3.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Vacate, From the article you cited:

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Whereas Linnaeus classified for ease of identification, it is now generally accepted that classification should reflect the Darwinian principle of common descent.

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It seems like todays classification is to prove evolution to me. Maybe you read this statement differently.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."