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Author Topic:   Salvation vs. Helping Others
ICANT
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Message 3 of 30 (545806)
02-05-2010 1:38 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Stile
02-04-2010 8:06 AM


Re:What's Inportant
Hi Stile,
If you are sincere I will discuss this topic with you. You probably won't like the answers I give you and neither with most so call christians.
Stile writes:
Person in North building - Is very adept at helping others yet does not know of any person named Jesus Christ, or anything about salvation (doesn't even know it's something he may be interested in or even exists).
-Think of the nice neighbour who just doesn't go to church or deal with religion in any way.
Person in South building - Has in-depth knowledge of Jesus Christ. Fully believes that Jesus Christ is his personal saviour and the only method for his salvation. However, he doesn't help other people.
-Think of the devout religious guy who still cuts people off in traffic and such.
Who do you go and talk to first?
I would visit the person in the South building first, because my visit there would be very short.
His/her condition is probably hopeless. He/she has religion and believes many facts about Jesus but he/she has never met Jesus.
How do I know his/her condition? He/she doesn't have love for the brethren.
John writes:
1Jo 3:14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not [his] brother abideth in death.
If a man/woman does not love his/her brother as much as he/she loves themself they are not born again, I don't care how religious he/she is.
So my mission would be to inform the person they was not born again and if he/she did not get it fixed he/she would spend eternity with the devil in the lake of fire.
Then I would visit the person in the North building and try to share with him/her God's plan of salvation as their good works would not secure it for them.
John writes:
Jhn 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Jhn 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Jhn 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
Stile writes:
I am also interested in who you may think the Biblical Jesus Christ may go and talk to first.
It makes no difference what I think Jesus is not here and unless he/she was of the lost house of Israel would not talk to him/her.
Matthew writes:
Mat 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Jesus came to the lost sheep of the house of Israel and all but 120 rejected Him. That 120 constituted the Church of Jesus Christ. He called them out and then taught them for over three years and then sent His Church into all the world to make believers, baptize them and then teach them all things He had taught them.
Stile writes:
1. How many different parables did Jesus tell to other people when he was attempting to teach them lessons?
There are some 57 parables recorded and many that were not recorded.
Stile writes:
2. In those parables, how many parable-characters made sure that other people were recruited into specifically believing that they are reliant on Jesus Christ as the single necessary tool for salvation.
Parables were lessons not evaganlistic messages so none that I know of.
Stile writes:
3. How many different times did Jesus identify himself to other people as the single necessary tool for salvation?
John writes:
Jhn 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
This was said to born again believers that were following Him every day, His disciples. They were the ones sent into the world to convince people to be believers.
Stile writes:
4. When attempting to teach others, would Jesus generally do both of these things? (Provide a parable and also identify himself as the single necessary tool for salvation?) If so, which did he do first?
You have a weird idea of what Jesus came to do. He did not come to evangalize the world.
He came to the lost sheep of the house of Israel to fulfill a promise to Abraham.
He came to prepare His Church to be able to evangalize the world.
He came to restore mankind to a right relationship with God. The only way to do that was to offer Himself a sacrifice on the cross of Calvary.
Hebrews Writer writes:
Hbr 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
Stile writes:
Personally, I think that being good and nice is far and above any belief in Jesus Christ (or any other person or charcater) as personal saviour for any necessary salvation-purposes. I also think that Jesus Christ himself thinks this (but I admit my biblical knowledge is weak).
The first three words, "Personally, I think" are the key.
What difference does it make what you think?
Old Testament writes:
Lam 3:26 [It is] good that [a man] should both hope and quietly wait for the salvation of the LORD.
New Testament writes:
Jon 2:9 But I will sacrifice unto thee with the voice of thanksgiving; I will pay [that] that I have vowed. Salvation [is] of the LORD.
Salvation belongs to God and He can give it to whoever He chooses.
He chose to give it to all those who would accept the offer of His free full pardon paid for on the cross of Calvary by Jesus. No one will receive it that does not accept it.
Salvation is not yours to decide how you get it, makes no difference what you think. You can either accept God's salvation or reject it. That is your only choice.
Stile writes:
Even if believing in Jesus Christ really is the only way for personal salvation, I still put being good and nice as a higher priority than my own salvation. Such a thing can be judged as stupid or honourable, but again, my convictions do not rest on how others judge such things.
You must accept God's offer of a free full pardon to receive God's salvation and there is no way to do that if you do not believe in Jesus Christ, as you have to accept what He did in His death, burial and resurrection.
Concerning your being good and nice Jesus said:
Matthew writes:
7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
The will of God is:
Peter writes:
2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
In other words quit doing it your way and do it God's way.
Since you are depending on what you can do and not what God can and will do for you I conclude.
According to God's Word when you stand face to face with Him He will say, "I never knew you depart from me, ye that work iniquity".
We have had many conversations where you put being good and doing good things as your God.
Would you tell me what you base this belief on?
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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