Dawkins and "The Great Tim Tebow Fallacy" (re: pro-life advertisement)

Of course, if you count all successfully fertilised eggs that fail to reach term as miscarriages. Only if contraception use rose dramatically. There would be many more pregnancies by those that are lax with their contraception Edited by cavediver, : No reason given.

Straggler answers precisely this in his opening post of this sub-thread (How Many Humans?) So you do care deeply that the majority of people die before even being born? But are only vocal about the much smaller percentage of these that are intentionally caused?

As we have seen, the average outcome of this natural progression is to not make it to birth. So it probably doesn't form the best set of stages upon which to rest a definition of "person".

The vast majority of abortions take place in weeks 8-10 where the foetus ranges in size from 0.5 to 1.5 inches.How much crushing, burning, and tearing do you really think is necessary?But yes, I totally agree, they're great words for stiring the emotional side of the debate

Precisely. We determine that the killing of members of our tribe (either by accidental or intentional causes) is undesirable based on the value we place on the lives of those in our tribe. We can measure this value by looking at our attempts to preserve the life of those around us. Similarly, we can measure the value we place on the conceptus by our attempts to preserve it. This should then give us a basis for the morality surrounding the destriction or killing of a conceptus. Hopefully, now you see differently...Unless you use some divinely inspired "absolute" morality to determine that the killing of the conceptus is immoral?Edited by cavediver, : No reason given.

Actually, I don't - or at least I agree with Jazzns' reasons, but I think your argument is far more fundemental. It is actually reasoning from baseline morality, by examining typical human social behaviour and thought. "Privacy" and "body sovereignty" are much higher-level concepts, with sufficient caveats that would ensure contiued argument with anti-abortionists.

But your anti-abortionist evangelical right-winger KNOWS FOR SURE that the fetus is a person, and being in the weaker position and having no choice in its affairs, deserves more protection of its rights than does the woman.