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Author Topic:   Does Atheism = No beliefs?
Percy
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Message 88 of 414 (551589)
03-23-2010 9:10 AM
Reply to: Message 87 by nwr
03-23-2010 9:03 AM


nwr writes:
I think you are making the mistake of assuming that Dawkins is typical of atheists. There are many atheists who criticize Dawkins as being unnecessarily confrontational.
And let us not forget antagonistically counterproductive.
Prophetically, before Dawkins succeeded to the chair for the public understanding of science at Oxford he once said that he would probably not be the best public face for rationality and science.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 177 of 414 (552344)
03-28-2010 9:41 AM
Reply to: Message 164 by Den
03-27-2010 10:51 PM


Den writes:
2. The science of Biology cannot examine anything beyond the scope of human sensory perception (while maths and physics can),...
Math is not science, but physics and all the rest of science, just like biology, "cannot examine anything beyond the scope of human sensory perception." Science studies the natural world that is available to the human senses. Anything we cannot sense in some way, even very indirectly, is not amenable to scientific study
...making Biological science unqualified and incapable to examine the theory of ID.
If the claims are ID are not apparent to "human sensory perception" then they cannot be studied by any field of science. It would mean that all fields of science are incapable of examining ID's claims.
It is ID's inability to generate any testable claims that make it non-science. If ID isn't part of the natural world, then science cannot study it. Scientists, be they atheist or agnostic or Christian or Hindu or Buddhist or whatever, study the natural world. Atheism doesn't enter into it.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 181 of 414 (552621)
03-30-2010 9:23 AM
Reply to: Message 180 by Dr Adequate
03-29-2010 10:04 PM


I read the recent exchange between you and Den several times and I still remain confused about what he's trying to say, but I do think he's trying to say something different than what you think. He considers science's focus on the natural detrimental, and so because every opinion in biology is based upon only that which can in some way be observed it therefore cannot have the full picture. Or something like that, as Moose would say.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 184 of 414 (552631)
03-30-2010 10:41 AM
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03-30-2010 10:36 AM


Huntard writes:
Or, if he has found a method to actually know something about the unobservable, I'd like to hear it.
Yeah, precisely. Well put.
--Percy

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