Marxism

Hi Kitsune. Good to see you back.First off there is no Biblical support for government instituted socialism. That the little new religion of Christianity willfully and voluntarily shared with one another in their little circle at a time when they were being persecuted and oppressed does not equate to government instituted national socialism imposed upon all citizens.In II Thessalonians 3 we read, King David was so conscientious about private enterprise that when a citizen offered the kingdom a property to do sacrifice on. King David declined, paying full price for the lot. From Abraham all the way through the rich man, Zacheous, the Bible is rife with the rich and the poor, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob all being rich. Having been born in Western Nebraska in 1935 where there was a severe drout on top of the depression, I'm no stranger to poverty. Nobody died of starvation and begging on streets was rare. When I was about 2, Dad sold all he had at auction which along with some meager savings bought us an old 16 ft round top travel trailer with $45 cash left. He hitched up to the old Model A Ford and the family of five headed for Wyoming. We three children and the parents lived in the trailer while did some weed control for work. There was a short period when we lived in a root seller with a dirt floor. As soon as we could we rented an old ranch cabin which had Kerosene lighting, a wood cook stove and an out house. While there, Dad nailed a job as a mechanic at an oil company. When I was in the 2nd grade we progressed to out first house with a flush toilet, but the one room school house in the country still had a wood stove and an out house. From there Dad became employed by a Chevrolet garage as a mechanic. He saved up enough for a down payment on a house in town. During the war in about 1944 Dad sold the house and put down on an old garage down town with an appartment overhead. We moved in there and after the war Dad got a new car dealership. In a few years he was able to rent the apartment and put down on a nice brand new house at the edge of town. Then he bought an old cattle ranch and built a house on it from scratch.Abe) Thanks to enterprising rich folks, my dad was able to work his way up the ladder to provide for his own, hire employees and support benevolent organizations who aided the poor and needy.The only money Dad gave me when I got married and finished my 4 yr commitment to the US Airforce was $100, so again, I had nothing handed to me for my own start. There have been times when I've had to scrimp and scrape but through the kind of work ethics and frugality which my parents taught and from the invaluable Biblical principles, like my Dad, I've been able to build upon poverty via free enterprise and hard work.I've gone in to all of this detail so as to show the progression from poverty to better times without robbing from the rich.
Thank God for rich folks. The more, the better. They are the ones who have to build businesses and hire the poor and the middle class. Many of them are ones who have had the means to buy from my own business and build it from a little rented tin building where I stocked it with what I had to sell untill I could afford something better. OTH, government has become the problem, continually building itself up, ever increasing taxes to pay for it's expansion and imposing ever more regulations etc which suppress free enterprise.Whatever government subsidizes increases. Poverty is no exception. People as poor as my parents were would enovate and work to scratch up their own living. It worked back then and it would work now.Back in the 1960 an old radio radio talk show man, Richard Cotton use to say: 1) The more of them there and the more incentive they have to produce without government intermention and taxing, the more jobs they will provide so that the poor can get off their butts and go to work.2) You appear to have no conception of how much the aggregate rich give. The more they make, the more incentive to give for write offs etc, for their own advantage. The founder of Catepillar gave 90% of his income away to needy causes.Socialism works to equalize everyone monetarily which eventually eliminates the rich and impoverish the middleclass until like last centuries socialist blocks of nation impoverishes all, the workers having lost all incentive to produce, innovate and progress. Your implication is that these good industrious and productive people simply had all that they have achieved void of any risk, study, work, like it was handed to them on a silver platter.You're forgetting how many thousands these folks have afforded jobs to so as to avoid poverty. The hard working folks whom they have afforded jobs to, in turn are, because of rich people like these able to share some of their earnings to benevolent causes. Edited by Buzsaw, : As noted

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Thanks, madear. Indeed it does look difficult and indeed it appears there's little commonality we can achieve. The difference in your youth and my age is that year after year my generation heard the daily news on the radio, regularly observed evidence of the totalitarian oppression and abject poverty in the totalitarian socialist block nations in weekly magazines and decried failures of dangerous attempts of the citizens of those nations into some Western block nation, etc. The people shot by guards at the Berlin Wall, the millions brutally massacred under China's Chairman Mao zedong, Cuba's brutality under Castro; you name it; sooner or later big socialist government reduces the sheeple to impoverishment, oppression, imprisonment and death. The reason I cited that was to refute you claim that socialism had Biblical support. Our generation was of the do or die mindset. The scanty few who died didn't amount to anything compared to the 100 plus millions who, after loosing their property, freedoms and arms, lost their lives at the hands of their own socialist governments.The tough years of our experience involved hard work, frugality, dandilion, popcorn and milk meals, rabbit hunting, wood chopping, cold winter nights, carrying water, wiping the butt with pages from Monkey Ward catalogs, etc. No luck, madear. Though our family were not Christians yet, failure, sacrifice, risk, sharing help and provisions, and determination was expected. In retrospect, God's providence was the underlying foundation of our nation's involvement to relieve the planet's oppressed in the decades to follow such as food relief, etc. Yup. Ingrained into the mindset from one generation to another as we are observing, where all too often, big, buldging government subsidized poverty affords soda pop, beer, cigaretts big screen TVs, designer jeans, ipods, video games, weekly food banks, school meals; on and on we could go as poverty becomes the easy idle non-productive glutinous way, paid for by the ever decreasing percentage of workers who haven't quite yet lost all incentive to keep on working. Three phrases stick out here; "just get,.... education.... and good job." The only way to "just get" is for someone who has to "just give." The more that the "just getters" get without risk, failure, hard labor, sacrifice, etc the greater the political support they "give" to candidates who promise them that they will force the "just givers" to "just give" to the "just getters." Get it, madear?"Education:" My Daddy made it all the way through grade 8. Though I worked 2 to 3 hours a day in the Bob Jones University snack shop to help pay the expenses, I made it all the way through three semesters before dropping out to go back home to help Dad with is business. A semester including advanced typing , elementary ancient Greek and business accouning, and of course, Bible, history, etc were an asset, but nothing that I "just got" because the rich were mandated to "give" it to me."Good job:" Yah, you mean like 35 cents an hr, or the later $72 a month I got later in boot camp, eventually topping $100 a month and topping off at over $200 a month? Do you know how much an hour that amounts to? I think I peaked out a few years later working 10 hr shifts on the Erie railroad as a gandydancer (track builder). That lasted for three months or so, intil the track was finished. Well so much for "just getting" a good job.Nowadays the "just getters" get enough by "just getting" that before accepting work their "just getting" mindset figures which deal "gets" me the most; the easy freebies I can "just get" from the "just givers without working, sacrificing, being frugal etc, or the deal where I get a tad more but must work, sacrifice, be frugal, etc? Of course, having been increasingly indoctinated into socialism and having being rewarded by the socialist polititians and media who need their support we see which way the former US of A republic has moved. .I worked for one of my most demanding jobs for a year and a half as a young man. The solution included no expectancy of "just getting" from other workers. This job afforded little time to job hunt, but on one day off I came upon a construction crew just beginning to build a college library. By God's good providence I nailed a pick & shovel, cememt finishing etc job for around 2 bucks and hr. and gave notice to the undesirable employer.You do realize, don't you, that "granting good jobs to those who need them." comes solely from businesses owned by richer folks willing to risk and work, who can only add on employees if their profits are on the increase so as to invest and expand. Sorry, but socialism encourages none of that. Gotta hit hay so as to have energy to work harder tomorrow so as to give more to the "takers" who have managed to lend enough political support to the "give" promising polititians for their constituents, the "takers."Yes, there's greed in all systems, but the nice thing about capitalism is that the greedy have the liberty to be what they want to be whereas with socialism, the greedy eventually become powerful enough to force free people to be what they don't want to be. Edited by Buzsaw, : improve readabilityEdited by Buzsaw, : No reason given.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Kitsune, you have not lived long enough to have observed that via progressionism the early stages of socialism have progressed representative government (republicanism) into the early stages of socialism in the 1960s and 1970s when Marxists like Angela Davis et al were in the colleges and universities indoctinating socialism into the mindsets into the young impressionable minds of baby boomers at the same time that President Johnson et al, in one of his first speeches after the assination of President Kennedy stated that Viet Nam was going to be a long war, drafting our brightest and ablebodied into a bloody war which they were not allowed to win (as is now the case in Afganistan).Via the late 20th century and now the early 21st century the brainwashed school kiddies have grown up to accept the democratic socialist pseudo-representive progressive stage of socialistic government as you sheeple in Europe have bought into.Now, the democratic socialist pseudo-repesentive minded sheeples in America who (thanks to revised education), who are oblivious to the Marxist (final stage of progressive socialism) holocausts perpetrated upon the sheeple having been mentally fattened for the progressively socialized slaughter (Marksist stage) as per the socialist block nations of the bloody 20th century purge. Interestingly, this as with all major stages of history has been prophesied, the Biblical eschatoligical great tribulation, which, according to the prophecies will be the greatest halocast ever, being global and perpetrated by what appears to be a Muslim socialist murderous beast.Interestingly also: Socialist block nations have in modern era wars consistently allied with Muslim nations against Israel and the Western republics. The only difference in the mindsets of Chairman President Obama and Venezuela's Hugo Chavez is Obama's bent toward Islam and Obama's global aspirations for the apocalyptically prophesied final stage of a 2 horned progressive socialist religious monarchy having authority over all nations, tribes and tongues, having imposed upon them mandated prayer to a speaking image and moneyless mark/number monetary system in order to buy or sell. .My deluded dear, the above is all prophesied for the latter days of the gentile empires. This end time fulfillment will not come, according to II Thessalonians 2 where we read that global apostacy will prevail before it all of the corroborating events such as this will happen. Thus the apostacy of so many of you intelligent but deluded sheeple here on this board. I say this as a warning of the precipice you are headed for and not to insult or demean.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Thanks for the well wishes, Huntard.
A generation from birth to grave is about 70 years (3 score & 10) according to one scripture. I'd have to look it up. Perhaps around late 2030s-ish. You and my boys's families would be in the time frame. Prepare! Imo, the rapid fire disasters are going to escalate.Socialist minded cultures, including Islamic nations appear to be te invaders at Armageddon according to Ezekiel 38. It would lead off topic to say much more on that in this thread.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.