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This makes me so angry I could spit, this business of trying to smear Horowitz with some supposed white supremacist. This is nothing but slander. I refuse to dignify your suspicions with any effort whatever to prove anything.Horowitz left the radical movement because of a murder by the Black Panthers of a white woman who worked for them, who was a friend of Horowitz's. They killed her because as their accountant she had discovered that they were misusing the money given to them as a supposed charity if I recall correctly. Her body was found along the shore of the San Francisco Bay some time later. The Black Panthers were criminals and Horowitz had been their staunch supporter until he recognized their true nature. Perhaps this is the source of the slander. Mustn't call murder murder.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I resent your insinuations and your suspiciousness. You are "concerned" about my statement that taxes should not be used to support people who cannot support themselves? Well I'm concerned about YOUR attitude.This is the essence of the stealing I was talking about. You take money out of the pockets of people who earned it to simply give away to others. The earner is deprived of any say in the matter, of volunatry giving to causes of his own choice. I've said this is NOT the right solution to the problem of poverty because it is stealing.From the beginning I've also said TAXES ARE NECESSARY for the legitimate work of government, to keep society running and protected for all of us, and your getting any other idea is unbelievably absurd. But you never bothered to read through my posts. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

WHY DO YOU BELIEVE THAT INSINUATION ABOUT THE WHITE SUPREMACIST? Somebody has distorted the facts. Horowitz could not possibly be supporting a white supremacist.And I can hardly believe you think I haven't already explained everything you are asking me to explain AGAIN! Something is wrong here that is beyond my ability to grasp.I will not explain anything. It's been explained.

I know Horowitz. I will not read the propaganda against him on your ignorant say-so.EDIT: Seems to me the essence of leftist thinking is witch-hunting finger-pointing self-righteousness trying to bring down individuals, labeling people as bigots -- that's really the new "nigger" -- without any basic humanity in anything you say or do. You're just out to make people toe some line you've defined and destroy them if they don't. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I explained and explained and reasoned and explained. Sorry you missed it.I said I would not read propaganda against Horowitz. I'm sick of your witch hunt against him. Who do you think you are.Get back to the subject of Marxism, how about, and stop trashing people.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

US government? Well, sort of but I meant American culture in general. Obama has a Marxist background, so does Hillary Clinton and so do others in the administration. Has to do with their having had Marxist teachers and mentors. But mostly I think I was talking about the effect on society as a whole of the Cultural Marxist thinking that came to flower in the sixties. Not economic Marxism but a focused attempt to characterize western civilization as some sort of evil empire, and it's worked. You know, American imperialism, evil America. Included heavy scholarly works against "the nuclear family" as an oppressive institution, against patriarchy as an oppressive institution, and the like. Big role in all the liberations, including "gay rights" and the idea of gay marriage. We needed some of the civil rights, we didn't need th Marxist spin on them, but that's what we've got.What else.If you want me to "understand" Marxism the way you understand it, forget it. I'm talking about this other brand of Marxism. It's still Marxism, it just left the economic cateogry and labeled social insttitutions as the "oppressor" and it loves to point the finger at oppressors. Can't say a damn thing around here without being called a bigot. That's the legacy of Cultural Marxism. Oh there's more but I have to leave in a bit.In the schools. Well, all these ideas had to captivate all of you somehow. Most who went through university in the last few decades got a lot of indoctrination in postmodern thinking, which also has marxist roots, again social marxism, cultural marxism, the appropriation of the cocepts to the social context, and to literature where peopel have been taught not to trust the actual text they read but the inner meaning which they get by reaidng between the lines adn finding, guess what, Marxist cateogries about class oppression. Imagine that.You may be right about the rich being able to get away awith not paying as much tax as the schedule says they should. So they give it away as I believe Hyro said, and get to write it off. They use it for charity then. Sounds good to me.I'm sure it doesn't matter one bit whether I answered this or not. You're still going to say something insulting.I have to leave now.Cheers.

I know it's a lost cause to say anything here, but you guys are just flapping your gums mindlessly about a man about whom you know nothing. You just make up whatever suits your prejudices. You lie when you call him a racist. You lie. You just love flinging that accusation around. What does it do for you to call people such names, give you some kind of self-righteous buzz? Slander is a terrible sin, terrible, but it seems to be the favorite occupation of some around here.One of the biggest lies, a total lie, you all tell about Horowitz is this one about how he wants to muzzle leftists. That's a really low one. What he's been doing is trying to get some fairness into academia so that CONSERVATIVES will get to have a voice which they don't have thanks to the leftist clique at most universities. He's documented that thoroughly. He wants FAIRNESS, he wants an end to the stifling of the conservative voice on college campuses. Gee, you stifle it here, you bully and slander and call names anyone who is a conservative, and we KNOW they do it in the universities. ACADEMIC FREEDOM is the name of his efforts in that direction, NOT MUZZLING ANYBODY.Liar.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

You're a liar too. You all falsely call creationists and conservatives liars, I'm going to tell the truth now and call YOU a liar, where it fits.

GOD DAMN IT. I DID DOCUMENT IT. HE GREW UP IN A COMMUNIST FAMILY AND HE WROTE ABOUT IT. I LINKED THE BOOK. WHAT IS THE MATTER WITH YOU PEOPLE!? YOU'RE SICK SICK SICK. YOU'RE INSANE.

I DIDN'T CITE HIM AS AN EXPERT ON ANYTHING BUT GROWING UP MARXIST IN AN AMERICAN COMMUNIST FAMILY AND BEING A LEADER IN THE MARXIST "REVOLUTION" OF THE SIXTIES ABOUT WHICH I HAVE FIRSTHAND KNOWLEDGE.

Liar.You got lots of responses from me.Liar.

You are a lying accusing howling leftist. Liar. Either that or your brain is just so fried from all the leftist indoctrination you've undergone you can't think. You misread everything I've written. I've answered this as far as it deserves to be answered. You just want to browbeat a person into accepting your definition of everything. Leave people alone. You people are meddling harassing abusive bullying idiots.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

No no, RAZD. I don't know about ICANT, but that is NOT my objection to welfare. It's not that some are getting "more than they deserve" (I don't even know what that means -- in my view nobody "deserves" anything).It's that welfare is STEALING.Now everybody wants to know how welfare is more a case of stealing than taxation for services like road maintenance and running the government and things like that. I tear my hair out at the question, it's just plain obvious the difference to me and no answer I give seems to satisfy anyone so what's the point in trying to answer it but I'll try again anyway.The fact that people NEED things doesn't it make it right for them to STEAL them from other people. Isn't that a basic thing we all understand? Oh I can't afford my rent this month, I'll just go rob my neighbor who makes more money than I do. Are you for that solution to your neighbor's need? That's how welfare works. People need things so the GOVERNMENT does the stealing from their neighbors FOR them. I can't afford food today I'll just go order it in a restaurant and walk out on the bill. Well, they NEED the food, right? So you're all in favor of their stealing it then, right? If you're not, how can you be in favor of the government's stealing it from the restaurant through taxing them in order to feed needy people?Wrong no matter how it's done. Wrong wrong wrong.But we all share public works -- yessssss we share them at different rates blah blah blah, trucks delivering food to my grocery store use the roads a lot more frequently than I do blah blah blah. I can't believe people raise such nonsensical ideas to "prove" that ALL taxation is stealing. No it's not. Some taxation IS needed to run a country. It's NOT right to take money out of some pockets simply to put it in others.I'm going to say this and get off the forum and go back to work and hope I'm not tempted to come back to read all the nasty and querulous rejoinders I usually get. Then I hope to have the self control to go to the biology thread instead anyway.Cheers.

I am going to give a generic reply because I can see that if I try to get carefully into what each person said in response to me I'll go utterly crazy again. I'll try not to be incendiary myself but apparently just about anything I say has that effect.Once again, for the twentieth or thirtieth time at least (?) I tried to say my objection to welfare programs is that they STEAL. I said it in the teeth of the dozenth or so misstatement of my position, in this case RAZD saying I believe welfare is wrong because I believe people don't deserve it.After all my repetitions of my position as being against STEALING I have to regard that as simply bizarre. Something very strange is going on here as if nobody can actually read the WORD "stealing" or understand it.Something here makes it impossible for simple concepts to get across this enormous communication gap.The upshot of what EVERYONE here said in response to my last post APPEARS TO BE that you think stealing is just fine. You don't address the concept but your statements imply that.As if you really believe stealing is OK if it's done by the government to help needy people. You must simply deny that it's stealing although what I said ought to have made it clear that it is. You seem to be saying that if you don't SEE your neighbor being robbed, if it's done on paper by the IRS and THEN given to another neighbor who is poor, that's not stealing.But it's just indirect stealing and you just don't want to face the implications of that.I do assume that you wouldn't condone the poor person's directly robbing his neighbor, but it's apparently ok with you if the IRS does it for him.You all just go on about how the person NEEDS stuff as if that makes stealing OK. You'd probably say well DIRECT stealing isn't OK but would you also say that if somebody else does it for him instead, under threat of imprisonment if he doesn't pony up, that's not stealing or that kind of stealing is OK with you?Because they are needy it's OK for them to steal. That seems to be what you are all saying. But again, only if you don't have to notice that it's stealing, right?You won't face the concept of stealing itself. There's something schizophrenic going on here.I'm almost scared to post this because of how my posts have been misunderstood and misrepresented and made into accusations against me already. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.