Air Force Academy creates worship area for Pagans, Druids, and Wiccans

Hi ZeppherWiccan. I'm glad that Wiccan paganism wasn't acknowledged at West Point when my son was there and back in the 1950s when I was in the USAF. If Jehovah, the Biblical god be true, Wiccan and other forms of paganism become a curse to a culture. Things did not go well when Israel allowed the pagan high places and King Saul was rejected as king when he consulted the Witch Of Endor.If Jehovah be true, things will not go as well with the Air Force Academy and the USAF for accommodating Wicca and other pagan activities on campus.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
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That the founders essentially endorsed the Biblical religion which was the predominate religion in America does not constitute the establishment of any organized religion, such was the case in England and in the Dark Ages, both brutal and oppressive established state churches. The Pilgrims and subsequent Europeans who came to America were escaping the state established official and brutal Anglican Church Of England.Traditionally, in America the endorsement of Biblical principles and of the Biblical god, Jehovah, has never established any organized religion as was the case in Europe and the Dark Ages. Policy was determined by the representatives of the republic, the military and such.Now that things have changed in America, it does not surprise me that the AF Academy has accomodated paganism. This is the time of apostacy from truth, according to Biblical prophecy and is to be expected.Dr Jones is correct, in that my comment was an acknowledgement of reality and not to say that the academy should be forbidden to do as they did. I certainly would not want to limit their right to exercise religion, be it Wiccan or whatever.
I'm saddend and alarmed for America, knowing that Jehovah does exist, that the action has been taken because history attests to the fact that nations like Haiti etc which are rife with such have not fared well culturally.Obviously, the founder's impetus was that a church/state was not to be established in America but endorsement was exerciseable in or out of any level of government, as determined by elected reprepresentatives of the republic.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
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My understanding is that the predominant religion in Haiti has, for a long time been a Roman Catholic voodoo religious aborition. Wikipedia alludes to this. Interestingly, Lousiana is implicated in this as well in the Wiki site. Neither have fared well. Edited by Buzsaw, : Add Wiki quote]

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
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This is an important point. This is why there should be term limits on judges. If Congress would assert themselves by insisting on their third, the activist judges would not be allowed to judiciate beyond their perameters.The president said something to the effect that he wanted judges who have an empathy for the people. The problem is which people. Judges should have empathy for the Constitution and the law.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
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Well then, you are implying that the founders of the US of A republic and our Constitution were unfair, promoting the Christian religion and encouraging the usage of the New England Primer, the Bible and Watts Hymnal etc exclusively in the schools.You keep on keeping on ignoring our valid points that what the founders did not allow was the establishment of a state religion as was the case in Europe, the UK and in the Dark Ages.You keep on keeping on ignoring the valid point that in a republic the representatives of the republic determine to what extent anything should be promoted or excluded.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
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A lot of things, Taq? How about some specificities. One of those rights is the free exercise of religion and the Constitution does not limit that free exercise in government buildings or functions. Exercising does not constitute establishment.What you're advocating is exactly what you claim to decry, i.e. the stripping of the rights to exercise religion.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
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I grew up in Wyoming where the majority of men effectively apprised their women on voting wisdom. However too many of them unwisely ignored the phenomenal fact of the male leadership role throughout human history and in most of the animal kingdom ever since the recording of history.Since women are more emotional and easily persuaded and manipulated, imo, voting is not included in their role, though their legitimate role in culture is no less important than that of the male.Why, Dr Adequate, have most door to door sales companies advocated dealing with the woman of the house?

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
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My response to you who post blind asserted personal attacks, posting substanceless messages, assigning 1 ratings disregarding observed facts is that you should refute my facts before personal attacking and rating my message.What about it? Post some substance. Enlighten the worldwide web. What have I stated that you can falsify? Isn't EvC the science forum where we substantiate acclamations?

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
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Hi Apothecus. Thanks for asking. Come, let us reason together. According to Wiki, Ole man Buz's position on the role of women is compatible with billions of folks in nearly every human culture since history was recorded. It wasn't until around the beginning of the 20th century AD that the first nation worldwide instituted women sufferage.It happens to be the moderns who are the odd ones. For all of the previous thousands of years, all of the nations assumed my position.It was not until 1920 that the majority of Americans began to part ways from my position.How do you respond to the specifics of my message which set off this personal attack? Whether one is an evolutionist or Biblical creationist (The Bible lends support to my position), reality is that all cultures have until recently held my position. Why should such a verbal firestorm ensue because I take the traditional position?Having taken my position, it should be understood that the Biblical NT principles should be applied relative to the necessity of husbands, love and cherish your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for it (not exact but close quote). If the husband loves his wife, his leadership role will not be oppressive as it is depicted in, say, Mohammed's Quran, the Sunnahs and the the Haddith, and for that matter in some pagan cultures.Also, my friend, what about my points that women are more emotional and easily persuaded by nature. Is it irrevelant that door to door sales companies understand that it's easier to sell to the woman of the house than the man? Is ole man Buz crazy for citing this or are my counterparts willfully ignoring the facts of life?

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
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Silly? Back when I was a youngun selling for Prudential, it was a known fact One reason that I didn't fare so well is that I insisted on the presence of both husband and wife before sales pitches. One beautiful young wife invited me in, but I declined and left my card. The husband called and schedled an appointment. He thanked me for waiting for him and ended up being a buyer.Now it's politically uncorrect to say so, but facts trump popularity and political correctness for ole man Buz.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
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Hi Coyote. Did my 1 rated response to Apothecus make any sense to you? If that message didn't answer your inquiry, I'd be happy to answer further inquiries.Yes, it is the Biblical position as it has been with nearly all cultures. Imo, the Biblical position works out best for both men and women relative to how they are designed both mentally and physically.No doubt you're aware of these differences in the genders.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
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Perhaps we're too adrift of topic for further debate on the role of women. If someone wishes to go further on this, one would open a new thread for that. Unless it pertains to this topic I think it best not to respond further.My apologies to Coyote for offering further comment. As soon as I posted it the topic problem came to mind.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
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That's not my position, Rrhain. My position is the scientific one, that the brain lobes of men and women are different, having different degrees of capabilities relative to some roles.Though my wife would would admit that decision making and leadership role is not her forte, her memory and intuition is superior to mine.Admittedly there are exceptions to my postion. A friend who's intelligence is below par wisely deligates the leadership role to his wife who's inteligence is normal.Logically no human entity would function efficiently having two equal presiding officers/presidents. There's a logical reason
governments, businesses or lodges would normally consider that option. Rarely would that arrangement work. Why should the family unit be an exception. History attests to the fact that it does not work well by and large. The divorce rate and unrest in America's homes attests to the logic of my position.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
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Rrhain, the skyjumping quote is not from me. I don't know where you got it.As for the rest of your stuff, you simply pshaw almost 6000 years of recorded human history relative to the genders and the role each play in human culture. Moderns are the odd people out and we're paying a price for it.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Hi Anglagard. I'll go ahead and propose a new topic but you have it wrong. My impetus on the role of the genders is that both have their respective strengths and weaknesses.