Easy proof for Inteligent Design

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We can't.

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Exactly. You were talking complete nonsense when you said that you didn't need a concrete instance of the program.

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But computer is not important for us. We can run it now on silicon and later may be we use quantum or even proteins. As soon as you have something that runs your code your will be happy. So the main thing is software not the hardware as the hardware part can change easily. You can run MS Word on Mac or PC. It doesn't matter to you as long as you have MS Word.

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But - and this is the important part - you ALWAYS need a concrete instance of the program. And you always will, no matter what changes are made to the hardware (and I'll point out that the Mac and Windows versions of Word are different programs, so even there things are not so simple as you think). You may believe that Word is a real abstract entity but you can't do anything with that. Whether Word somehow exists without a physical instance or representation is an unanswerable philosophical question, but it is certain that you can't DO anything with it without a physical instance or representation.

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I thought you said that dimensions are 3 and non-changing!

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In our universe. Whether the inside of a black hole is in our universe is - to the best of my knowledge - unknown. Edited by PaulK, : No reason given.

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Yes but that's immaterial to us.

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I would say that the fact that you made a completely nonsensical claim - a claim that nobody who understood the difference between abstract and concrete objects could say - is very relevant.

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What we need is a working MS Word, we don't care what is under the hood. The fact that you would need something to store and process your information is different than information itself. Information in its essence exists and its existence doesn't depend on matter

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That depends on what it means for information to "exist". Moreover, it is quite clear that to make any use of this information you must have it present in a concrete form. Any presumed abstract existence is of philosphical interest only.

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Therefore 3dimentions are not that static as you described. If they were, you could easily and positively say even in blackholes we have 3D. But you can't!

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Of course that isn't true. For a start, if the inside of a black hole is another universe then obviously we can't assume that it is exactly like our universe. It is also true that this is a distraction from the fact that you don't have a real argument. Don't think that I didn't notice you going back to the self-contradictory assertion that necessary truths aren't necessarily true. If you had a real argument we wouldn't be going all over the place like this just so you can avoid answering basic questions about your argument (answers you should have known BEFORE posting the OP).

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Can you give me an example of any known abstraction producing anything known in the real world?

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Any software like MS Word. Even your example keeping ratios and relations are all abstraction. There are real and they are there.

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As I pointed out - and you accepted - the abstraction MS Word produces nothing. Only concrete instances of the program actually produce anything. So that point is very important after all. Only concrete entities actually produce things.{The following message was spam and was deleted - Adminnemooseus}Edited by PaulK, : No reason given.Edited by Adminnemooseus, : No reason given.