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ICANT Member (Idle past 12 days)  Posts: 5159 From: SSC Joined: |
I hope you are feeling well these days.
I take it you did not read the post subbie was responding too. Else why would you respond to subbie as you did. Was it just to pile on the creationist? God Bless, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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subbie Member  Posts: 3243 Joined: Member Rating: 9.6 |
I did. The mountains weren't always that high. Read much? Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
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lyx2no Member (Idle past 691 days)  Posts: 1277 From: A vast, undifferentiated plane. Joined: |
The mountain was never covered by water, ICANT. The sea bed was covered by water. The sea bed was then pushed up above sea level by tectonic activity. The rock fractured and eroded as it rose. The rock that remained, if forced up high enough, is the mountain. This is the important part. The water was not miles higher: The rock was miles lower. While we're here, anything to say about your behavior over on the Thread For the Benefit of ICANT - About lightning? It was, like, for your benefit, and stuff and junk. How about some closure, ICANT? "Mom! Ban Ki-moon made a non-binding resolution at me." — Mohmoud Ahmadinejad
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ICANT Member (Idle past 12 days) Posts: 5159 From: SSC Joined: |
Where did I say the water was miles higher? I said the fossils in and on the mountains declare that they were covered with water at one time. I lived on the top of a mountain in the Caribbean sea for a long time it was called Grand Cayman. That mountain is several thousand feet high but very little sticks out of the water. You answered my questions so I am satisfied. "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member (Idle past 12 days) Posts: 5159 From: SSC Joined: |
Were they covered by water? Have you forgotten my avatar with the land all in one place that I said was only 2 feet above sea level and therefore would not take much water to cover it? God Bless, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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subbie Member Posts: 3243 Joined: Member Rating: 9.6 |
Not when they were mountains. Was the land that is now on top of the mountain ever covered in water? Yes, when it was at the bottom of a sea.
Yes. I try not to clutter my mind up with valueless nonsense, although sometimes a bit sticks on until I can clean it off with mental toilet paper. Your prior avatar doesn't happen to have been one such sticky bit. Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
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Faith Member  Posts: 12305 Joined: Member Rating: 2.1 |
After the Flood or as part of that whole period of upheaval, the continents broke apart, magma from the Earth's interior pushed up the volcanoes, tectonic forces raised the mountains. The mountains too were all made up of the strata laid down by the Flood and packed with the dead things that all the strata are packed with. So we find marine creatures in the high mountains. Witness the lack of strata on the nearly uniform sphere of Mars for comparison. I'm not sure about other planets but aren't they more or less the same in this respect? Mars for sure had no planet-wide Flood and therefore no strata. It's pretty much a bald sphere except for the scars where pieces of flying space debris have collided with it, sometimes releasing magma from the interior in volcanoes and jostling the crust a bit too, but without anything to compare with the tectonic breakup on Earth. Everything points to a worldwide Flood on Earth for a rational person who just looks at the evidence. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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DrJones* Member  Posts: 1511 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: |
Care to provide a link to some large scale geological exploration of Mars?
Yes Mars is just a bald sphere, it certainly doesn't have a mountain thrice the height of Everest. Olympus Mons is right here on Earth. And it doesn't have canyon systems either, afterall the Valles Marineris is greater than anything on Mars. Edited by DrJones*, : No reason given. It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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ICANT Member (Idle past 12 days) Posts: 5159 From: SSC Joined: |
Are you trying to tell me there are no mountains in the ocean? I thought the longest mountain range on earth was the mid-ocean ridge, Spanning 65000 kilometers. I am glad that you would admit that the fossils got in and on the mountains when they were covered with water. BTW they did not have to be at the bottom of the ocean, they only had to be covered by water. God Bless, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Vacate Member (Idle past 576 days)  Posts: 565 Joined: |
So the only thing capable of making strata and fossils is a worldwide flood? How does one twist their mind around this so it makes some sort of sense? What properties of the water differ in that "worldwide" water is capable of forming strata and fossils but not local water or localized flooding? Where/when does the magic happen, when the water hits worldwide status or was it just magical water only at that point in time?
Did the magic water cause the magma and tectonic forces? Why do volcanoes and tectonic forces exist on other planets if they had not first been exposed to the magic water or magic times?
First you have to look, you apparently haven't.
There is plenty of strata on Mars and therefore, by your logic, once had a planetwide flood.
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cavediver Member (Idle past 22 days)  Posts: 4125 From: UK Joined: |
The great thing about this post is it makes Faith's speciation/genetics beliefs appear to be the epitome of rationality
Wow, the Sumerians must have had a great view of all this Bah, they had all the fun: Sumerians Look On In Confusion As God Creates World Edited by cavediver, : No reason given.
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Vacate Member (Idle past 576 days) Posts: 565 Joined: |
Fossils don't form in mountains just because you cover them with water. A flood that drops an elephant on the top of a mountain will not insert it into the rock. You can have a flood that drops an elephant in the dirt, the dirt turns to stone, the stone is uplifted and may eventually become a mountain. I think that the main reason that subbie or anyone would "admit" that various fossils found in mountains were once under water is because the vast majorty of those fossils found are sea creatures. The admission is not quite what you seem to think. Fossils in mountains don't require water to form, fossils of sea creatures require water to form. Seeing a bunch of fossilized sea creatures is a good indication that the material was once under water, its no indicator at all that water dropped animals on mountains.
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Minnemooseus Member  Posts: 3115 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
References please. My guess is that you're blowing unsubstantiated smoke. Moose
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lyx2no Member (Idle past 691 days) Posts: 1277 From: A vast, undifferentiated plane. Joined: |
All the mountains at the bottom of the ocean are volcanic and have no fossils.
There weren't any mountains getting fossils in and on them. There was a sea bed being buried by sediments being washed from the land. The sediments bury the shallow ocean community: reefs, clams and plankton ooze. Nearly nothing bigger then a pinhead gets fossilized in the depths of the ocean; sedimentation is too slow.
This is one of your problems: you make half statements. What exactly do you mean by this? If I point out that giant freshwater lakes tend to be geologically short lived you'll reply with "Who said anything about fresh water lakes?" Not you. You don't actually say anything. Another important bit: The mountains were never covered by water. They didn't exist when the water was there. The water had been gone for millions of years before the mountains existed.
Not to sound like your wife, but as long as you're satisfied I guess we're done. See ya' off Cuttyhunk, I'm going fishin'. "Mom! Ban Ki-moon made a non-binding resolution at me." — Mohmoud Ahmadinejad
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Vacate Member (Idle past 576 days) Posts: 565 Joined: |
I read the definition here : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratum And thought of this image here : http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2003/08/01/ If my use of that word is incorrect I will retract my statement. I don't smoke, but I do make mistakes.
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