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Message 6 of 163 (558174)
04-30-2010 4:27 AM

Reply to: Message 1 by killinghurts
04-30-2010 2:07 AM

Re fossils

Hi killinghurts,

killinghurts writes:

If a catastrophic earth wide flood event occurred, why do fossils appear near perfectly sorted within the geological strata?

Because they were laid down over a period of million's of years not all at once as YEC'S put forth.

Where in the Bible does it say the flood of some 4300 years ago was a catastrophic event?

It says it rained. It says the fountains of the deep opened up. and because of these the earth was covered with water. It does not say anything like what the YEC'S say about earthquakes, volcanic action or any of the things I read on this site.

The waters in the Bay of Fundy rises from 43' to 53' twice a day every day and have been doing so for a very long time. It is still there.

Just because people can not understand how the earth could be flooded by rising water does not mean that it did not happen.

In fact the entire earth declares that it has been covered with water at least one time in the past as the fossils in and on the mountains are evidence of such an event.

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 11 of 163 (558332)
04-30-2010 5:13 PM

Reply to: Message 10 by Lenoxus
04-30-2010 4:16 PM

Re fossils

Hi Lenoxus welcome to EvC,

Lenoxus writes:

Whoever wrote the the story of the Flood pretty clearly intended to describe an amount of time much less than millions of years:

I did not say anything about how much time was accumulated during the flood.

I am an old earth creationist and do not belive everything was laid down during the flood as YEC'S do.

You can find my position on creation here: Message 1

Lenoxus writes:

Perhaps the whole thing is not meant literally, but merely as "allegory"; if so, what is it an allegory for?

(As far as I can tell, it fits very well into the "evolutionary tree" of Middle Eastern flood myths a myth like any other.)

Well I believe it was literal and did happen.

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Message 15 of 163 (558372)
04-30-2010 10:08 PM

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04-30-2010 5:29 PM

Re: Re fossils

Hi subbie,

subbie writes:

Fossils on mountains are only evidence of a Noachian flood if you assume that the mountains have always been that high. Given that there are massive amounts of independent evidence showing that this is not the case, the only reason to make this assumption would be to save the flood myth. This, of course, would amount to circular reasoning.

Where did I mention a Noachian flood?

I did make the statement:

ICANT writes:

In fact the entire earth declares that it has been covered with water at least one time in the past as the fossils in and on the mountains are evidence of such an event.

Is it a fact that all those fossils were deposited there when the mountains were covered with water?

subbie writes:

You are entitled to your own beliefs. You are not entitled to your own facts.

Am I entitled to scientific facts?

That is what I was pointing out. It is a scientific fact those fossils of sea shells in and on the mountains are there because those mountains were covered with water at one time.

If that is not a fact then will you explain how they got there?

God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 16 of 163 (558373)
04-30-2010 10:12 PM

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04-30-2010 7:58 PM

Re fossils

Hi RAZD,

I hope you are feeling well these days.

RAZD writes:

And that the flood lasted for hundreds of years, so that the multiple strata could be built up, generation after generation after generation.

Along with the slow change in species from layer to layer, perfectly sorted.

I take it you did not read the post subbie was responding too.

Else why would you respond to subbie as you did.

Was it just to pile on the creationist?

God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 19 of 163 (558383)
05-01-2010 12:06 AM

Reply to: Message 18 by lyx2no
04-30-2010 10:47 PM

Re: No Flood

Hi lyx2no,

lyx2no writes:

This is the important part. The water was not miles higher: The rock was miles lower.

Where did I say the water was miles higher?

I said the fossils in and on the mountains declare that they were covered with water at one time.

I lived on the top of a mountain in the Caribbean sea for a long time it was called Grand Cayman. That mountain is several thousand feet high but very little sticks out of the water.

You answered my questions so I am satisfied.

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Message 20 of 163 (558384)
05-01-2010 12:11 AM

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04-30-2010 10:35 PM

Re fossils

Hi subbie,

subbie writes:

The mountains weren't always that high.

Were they covered by water?

Have you forgotten my avatar with the land all in one place that I said was only 2 feet above sea level and therefore would not take much water to cover it?

God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 24 of 163 (558389)
05-01-2010 1:36 AM

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05-01-2010 12:16 AM

Re fossils

Hi subbie,

subbie writes:

Not when they were mountains. Was the land that is now on top of the mountain ever covered in water? Yes, when it was at the bottom of a sea.

Are you trying to tell me there are no mountains in the ocean?

I thought the longest mountain range on earth was the mid-ocean ridge, Spanning 65000 kilometers.

I am glad that you would admit that the fossils got in and on the mountains when they were covered with water. BTW they did not have to be at the bottom of the ocean, they only had to be covered by water.

God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 146 of 163 (564214)
06-09-2010 1:40 AM

Reply to: Message 142 by Percy
06-08-2010 9:39 AM

Re: Oh Lord...I need forgiveness...

Hi Percy,

Percy writes:

Your use of the term "monolith" makes me uncertain what you're referring to, but if you mean mountains then you do realize, I hope, that mountains are areas of net erosion, not deposition? That in general the higher you go on a mountain the less topsoil you'll find? And that the topsoil on the sides of a mountain is in the midst of a slow journey to the valley below? And that the rivers flowing through upland valleys are carrying the topsoil further downstream and eventually to the sea?

Percy would the lack of topsoil the higher you go up the mountain be caused by the mountain being pushed up out of the earth by the plates of the earth diving under other plates causing the mountain to be created. As well as erosion.

Just one of my dumb questions.

God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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