Creation, Evolution, and faith

How long are you going to try and continue this charade that you actually have any idea what it is you mean by "shared subjectivity"? Yet you have demonstrated yourself to have neither an argument nor even an idea of what it is you actually mean by the phrase "shared subjectivity". What method? Nope. You stated that you had an argument and implied that you had some idea what you were talking about. But we have subsequently established that in fact you don't. That is probably a good thing seeing as you have no friggin idea what you mean yourself. That is probably a good thing seeing as you have no friggin idea what you mean yourself. You have been given several examples of the way in which people might use the term "objective" and all you have done is respond "I don't mean....."You have consistently failed to tell us what you do mean. This remains as true now as it did several posts ago. Name dropping Wittegenstein into the conversation doesn't somehow change this fact. All you have demonstrated is that you have absolutely no idea what you mean by the term "objectivity" because you have absolutely no idea what you mean by the phrase "shared subjectivity". So you might as well have said that you consider mathematics to be "wurgle". It would have been just as meaningful as the little word cocktail you have created for yourself. Can you give an example of what you mean by "shared subjectivity" or not?If not why not just admit that you don't know what you meant and move on with your life?

In Message 383. The post you keep referring to as forming the basis of your position on this. But 50+ posts since then and nobody (least of all yourself) is any the wiser as to what you mean by "shared subjectivity". Many do indeed agree that mathematics is objective. But has it ever occurred to you that others may have some inkling of what they mean by this? Do you just assume that everyone else is as bewildered by their own use of terminology as you have demonstrated yourself to be? Are they just combining words and nodding sagely at each other? If mathematics is an example of "shared subjectivity" you can presumably tell us what aspect is subjective and how it is being shared? Except that we both know that you can't. Because it is obvious to all that you have no idea what it is you mean by "shared subjectivity".What do you mean by "shared subjectivity" Nwr? Do you have any idea at all what you mean by this phrase or not?

Nobody asked you for a precise definition of objectivity. I think we would all agree that precise definitions of such things are debatable at the very least.What you have been repeatedly asked for here is an example of what you men by "objectivity is just shared subjectivity".If mathematics is your example of "shared subjectivity" then please tell us which is the subjective part of it and how are we sharing it.You can explain this in whichever thread you deem most appropriate.

Becoming?

EvC crazies are like buses. None for ages and then they all come at once. Must be the phase of the moon or summin.