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hooah212002
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Message 59 of 109 (559352)
05-08-2010 7:18 PM
Reply to: Message 58 by Peg
05-08-2010 7:08 PM


Re: siple expanation?
imperfection leads to degeneration and death..
You do realize that our universe is what it is today due to imperfections, don't you? Stars are born out of imperfections, galaxies are created out of imperfection. If everything were perfect, nothing would have ever happened because all matter would have had no reaction on each other. I say this because we are children of the universe. The stuff that makes up your body and makes you a human once belonged to some far off star, millions or billions of light years away.
Life itself thrives on the imperfection that runs rampant in this universe.

"The Bible was written to show us how to go to heaven, not how the heavens go" -Galileao

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hooah212002
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Message 62 of 109 (559360)
05-08-2010 8:39 PM
Reply to: Message 61 by Peg
05-08-2010 8:08 PM


Re: siple expanation?
The simple fact that we are in the right spot peg. We ARE in the right spot for life of our kind to thrive.
the earth is the perfect distance from the sun, it is in the perfect angle on its axis to create the 4 seasons and its spinning at the perfect speed... so, in regard to its position in the universe, what aspect of earth is imperfect?
You're right. And that is why life evolved on this planet: because it is the right distance for life to have happened. However, I feel you think we were placed here just for this purpose. I say nay, we are here because we are in "the goldilocks zone".
The earth is perfect? For who? What is the percentage of this planet is habitable for humans? What little area that IS habitable for man, we have to contend with predation. We are a ball of rock, hurtling through space going millions of miles an hour, orbiting a nuclear reactor, which is orbiting a supermassive balck hole. We stand on a thin layer of rock that is covering searing hot magma. We are protected from the hell that is space by an ultra thin layer of GAS. We are but a speck in this universe. There are BILLIONS AND BILLIONS of other GALAXIES, TRILLIONS of other stars.
Earth is FAR from perfect, peg.
I dont believe we 'thrive' on imperfection. People die when they get sick...thats certainly not 'thriving'
Think outside of earth, peg. Read what I wrote. Life needs to die in order for new life to begin. Think of death as a necessity for life. Stars have to die in order for galaxies to exist. A star had to die in order for you to exist. You need the materials that are in stars. We all do.
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"The Bible was written to show us how to go to heaven, not how the heavens go" -Galileao

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hooah212002
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Message 73 of 109 (559479)
05-09-2010 9:19 PM
Reply to: Message 70 by Peg
05-09-2010 7:23 PM


Re: siple expanation?
if things are so imperfect and out of control, how did we just happen to be in the right spot?
What do you mean? You act like we are supposed to be here or something. We are in the right spot because this is where life is able to happen to the extent that it has happened here. Much further out from the sun, and it's too cold. Much closer and it's too hot. There are factors for life. Earth just happens to be in the right spot.
I ask you again: do you know the percentage of the planet that is habitable?
stars are not 'life' they are balls of gasses... no real 'life' has been discovered in the known universe.
Could you live without the sun? The sun is our life force. It provides ALL of our energy. Without it, we would cease to exist.
no real 'life' has been discovered in the known universe.
Do you have even the faintest clue how large and vast the universe is?

"The Bible was written to show us how to go to heaven, not how the heavens go" -Galileao

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hooah212002
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Message 82 of 109 (559505)
05-10-2010 1:15 AM
Reply to: Message 77 by Peg
05-10-2010 12:29 AM


Re: siple expanation?
So you can live at the north pole? The South pole? What about the Amazon Rain forest? The congo? The everglades? I am talking in the natural habitat, because for sure we could easily tear down the trees (which would have it's own repurcussions)
The percentage of this earth that we can and do maintain as habitat is strikingly low, Peg. But yet, you see it as "perfect".
I fear I have made too many off topic remarks in this thread. I do apologize to the OP and the rest of you.

"The Bible was written to show us how to go to heaven, not how the heavens go" -Galileao

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hooah212002
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Message 107 of 109 (560383)
05-14-2010 7:37 PM
Reply to: Message 98 by Peg
05-13-2010 7:47 PM


not necessarily. Just because we have two arms and two legs does not mean we share a common ancestor
Of course "2 arms and 2 legs" does not denote a common ancestor because we use much more than that to draw comparisons.
Check out this paper:
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v465/n7295/full/nature09014.html#/ (this is the abridged version. if you want the full, you need to be a paid subscriber)
From ScienceDaily:
ScienceDaily writes:
Harnessing powerful computational tools and applying Bayesian statistics, Theobald found that the evidence overwhelmingly supports UCA, regardless of horizontal gene transfer or multiple origins of life. Theobald said UCA is millions of times more probable than any theory of multiple independent ancestries.
ScienceDaily writes:
What Theobald did not assume, however, was how far back these processes go in linking organisms genealogically. It is clear, say, that these processes are able to link the shared proteins found in all humans to each other genetically. But do the processes in these assumptions link humans to other animals? Do these processes link animals to other eukaryotes? Do these processes link eukaryotes to the other domains of life, bacteria and archaea? The answer to each of these questions turns out to be a resounding yes.

"A still more glorious dawn awaits
Not a sunrise, but a galaxy rise
A morning filled with 400 billion suns
The rising of the milky way"
-Carl Sagan

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