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Buzsaw
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Message 181 of 271 (560502)
05-15-2010 4:01 PM
Reply to: Message 179 by Coragyps
05-15-2010 3:26 PM


Re: Core Sampling.
Coragyps writes:
Your statement is unclear enough that I don't really know if I savvy it. But air bubbles recovered from multiple ice cores show that our atmosphere has been quite uniform for at least a couple of hundred thousand years. And the same ice cores show no trace whatever of thawing or seawater contamination in the last 200,000 to 800,000 years - different cores sample to older times. So why bother to even factor out a Floode that never was?
Again this is debatable for another topic. For the record, noted Robert Ballard's Black Sea discoveries and oceanographic core samples from the Gulf of Mexico indicate that there was a relatively recent flood involving a sudden change in the salinity of in these regions.
ABE: Though the Ballard and Nat'l Geographic ToE camp try to isolate the Black Sea event to the Mediterranean regon, the two evidences from opposite sides of the planet implicate a global event.
Edited by Buzsaw, : As noted in Context

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lyx2no
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Message 182 of 271 (560507)
05-15-2010 4:36 PM
Reply to: Message 180 by Buzsaw
05-15-2010 3:37 PM


Re: Meteor Selective Wipeout
So, is Keller arguing that the impact occurred 304,350 years ago? Because if she isn't her argument doesn't help you much.

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Buzsaw
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Message 183 of 271 (560508)
05-15-2010 4:36 PM
Reply to: Message 175 by Percy
05-15-2010 9:07 AM


Re: Reptiles and Dinosaurs
Percy writes:
Now, Buz, what do I say next?
Percy, springtime is one of my busiest times away from my computer, so much so, that I simply don't have time to rehash it all again. I've tried to convey to you that what you have is what you get from me. If that looses your debate, simply blame it on EvC's Buzsaw and get yourself off the hook.
I maintain that I have at least as much evidence for my hypothesis as you have for the alleged crater hypothesis.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Theodoric
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Message 184 of 271 (560510)
05-15-2010 4:55 PM
Reply to: Message 183 by Buzsaw
05-15-2010 4:36 PM


Re: Reptiles and Dinosaurs
I maintain that I have at least as much evidence for my hypothesis as you have for the alleged crater hypothesis.
The problem buz is that you have not presented ANY evidence. All you have done is present assertions. How about just a little bit of evidence. There have been numerous examples of evidence that is counter to your hypothesis. You have not presented any evidence to counter. I am quite certain that no one besides you thinks that anything you have presented even remotely resembles evidence.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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Buzsaw
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Message 185 of 271 (560513)
05-15-2010 6:04 PM
Reply to: Message 184 by Theodoric
05-15-2010 4:55 PM


Re: Reptiles and Dinosaurs
Theodoric writes:
The problem buz is that you have not presented ANY evidence. All you have done is present assertions. How about just a little bit of evidence. There have been numerous examples of evidence that is counter to your hypothesis. You have not presented any evidence to counter. I am quite certain that no one besides you thinks that anything you have presented even remotely resembles evidence.
Theodoric, you're demonstrating what I've been saying relative to Biblical ID evidence due to the fact that the acknowledgement of one itty bit of it would destroy their twin towers of the BB and ToE. Secularists wouldn't acknowledge it if they were wading knee deep in it. Pray tell, what better evidence does the crater selective extinction hypothesis have?

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Theodoric
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Message 186 of 271 (560516)
05-15-2010 6:21 PM
Reply to: Message 185 by Buzsaw
05-15-2010 6:04 PM


Re: Reptiles and Dinosaurs
Pray tell, what better evidence does the crater selective extinction hypothesis have?
Evidently you do not acknowledge anything that may conflict with your preconceived ideas(delusions?). A number of people have tried already to show you that this selective extinction hypothesis is not true. None of the great extinctions was selective and no one has ever suggested they were. Well no one but you.

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PaulK
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Message 187 of 271 (560520)
05-15-2010 6:49 PM
Reply to: Message 185 by Buzsaw
05-15-2010 6:04 PM


Re: Reptiles and Dinosaurs
quote:
Theodoric, you're demonstrating what I've been saying relative to Biblical ID evidence due to the fact that the acknowledgement of one itty bit of it would destroy their twin towers of the BB and ToE. Secularists wouldn't acknowledge it if they were wading knee deep in it
Buz, you haven't GOT any significant evidence and if you are capable of rational thought at all you must know that you haven't got any significant evidence.
Vague similarities in appearance are not significant evidence of direct ancestry. Any sensible person, whether they support evolution or creation would agree. In fact Creationists pretty much HAVE to agree if they have any integrity at all. You would reject this "evidence" out of hand if it didn't happen to support your silly idea. THAT is real bias.
Nor is the fact that snakes and dinosaurs are classified as being distantly related (as I pointed out, even Feduccia accepts that birds are more closely related to dinosaurs - and crocodiles are also more closely related to dinosaurs than snakes are).
The "disappearance" of "all" the dinosaurs isn't even evidence for your view at all. The only reason why your "hypothesis" includes all the dinosaurs is BECAUSE they aren't around any more. It's purely ad hoc.
And that is all you've got. That, and ignoring or rejecting all the contrary evidence.
The bias is all on your side.
At least the impact theory has solid evidence that the impact ocurred. That's more than you have. You've got no solid evidence that snakes and dinosaurs are anything more than distant relations. The impact theory wins.
The impact may have happened about 300,000 years before the mass extinction ? Never mind, snakes have been found close on 30,000,000 years before the mass extinction. The impact theory wins again - by two orders of magnitude.
It is quite clear that you care nothing for evidence - that you haven't even bothered to take a real look at the evidence. It's been absolutely obvious all through this thread.

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Buzsaw
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Message 188 of 271 (560539)
05-15-2010 9:04 PM
Reply to: Message 186 by Theodoric
05-15-2010 6:21 PM


Re: Reptiles and Dinosaurs
Theodoric writes:
None of the great extinctions was selective and no one has ever suggested they were.
Suggested? It's an established fact that one type exclusively became extinct while the others thrived and survived. This implies selection which implies ID which becomes supportive to the Genesis record and which leaves the alleged K/T extinction event questionable.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 189 of 271 (560541)
05-15-2010 9:15 PM
Reply to: Message 182 by lyx2no
05-15-2010 4:36 PM


Re: Meteor Selective Wipeout
lyx2no writes:
So, is Keller arguing that the impact occurred 304,350 years ago? Because if she isn't her argument doesn't help you much.
Say what? Perhaps you should either explain yourself or click back to the message and read what she said, Lyx2no.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Message 190 of 271 (560542)
05-15-2010 9:20 PM
Reply to: Message 188 by Buzsaw
05-15-2010 9:04 PM


Re: Reptiles and Dinosaurs
It's an established fact that one type exclusively became extinct while the others thrived and survived
This is a lie Buz, you are flat out lying. It has been pointed out to you multiple times that the dinosaurs did not exclusivly go extinct.

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Percy
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Message 191 of 271 (560543)
05-15-2010 9:30 PM
Reply to: Message 183 by Buzsaw
05-15-2010 4:36 PM


Re: Reptiles and Dinosaurs
Buzsaw writes:
Percy, springtime is one of my busiest times away from my computer, so much so, that I simply don't have time to rehash it all again.
I understand, Buz. You're a very busy person right now, you presented the evidence that dinosaurs and humans existed at the same time earlier in the thread, and you don't have the time to describe it all again. But if you could spare just a few seconds, please just provide a link to the message containing this evidence and quote the portion that presents it. It shouldn't take you very long and I'd greatly appreciate it.
--Percy

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lyx2no
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Message 192 of 271 (560545)
05-15-2010 10:40 PM
Reply to: Message 189 by Buzsaw
05-15-2010 9:15 PM


Get Up to Speed
Perhaps you should either explain yourself or click back to the message and read what she said, Lyx2no.
I choose explain.
You have the dinos killed off in a great flood 4,350 years ago. As you are citing Keller, who puts the strike at 300,000 years prior to the extinction your great flood as evidence for your position, you are, therein, putting the strike at 304,350 years ago.
All well and good. But if you don't believe that Keller is arguing for a strike at 304,350 years ago you shouldn't be citing her as support for your position. You can't go round citing the bits you like. It's called quote mining. Are you familiar with the term?

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Message 193 of 271 (560547)
05-15-2010 10:59 PM
Reply to: Message 192 by lyx2no
05-15-2010 10:40 PM


Re: Get Up to Speed
You can't go round citing the bits you like. It's called quote mining. Are you familiar with the term?
It's called creation "science."
Creation "scientists" and their followers believe anything and everything that supports their religiously-inspired positions, while ignoring everything that contradicts those positions.
That is why Buz should never opine on matters of science: he is absolutely unqualified to do so. He has already adopted a set of a priori beliefs that are the antithesis of science (that means exact opposite).
Why should anyone give any credence in matters of science to someone who is totally against science, it's methods, and it's findings?
Buz, you can believe the moon is made of green cheese and rub blue mud in your naval on alternate Thursdays for all I care, but stay away from science. You are absolutely unqualified to hold any opinions therein.
Further, your posts don't convince anyone that your position is correct, and in fact they expose you to well-deserved ridicule. Which brings to mind...

Usually, even a non-Christian knows something about the heavens, and the other elements of the world, about the motion and orbit of the stars and even their size and relative positions, about the predictable eclipses of the sun and the moon, the cycles of the years and the seasons, about the kinds of animals, shrubs, stones, and so forth, and this knowledge he holds to be certain from reason and experience. Now it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an infidel to hear a Christian, presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking nonsense on these topics; and we should take all means to prevent such an embarrassing situation, in which people show up vast ignorance in a Christian and laugh it to scorn.
St. Augustine, The Literal Meaning of Genesis, 1:42-43.

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Buzsaw
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Message 194 of 271 (560551)
05-15-2010 11:58 PM
Reply to: Message 192 by lyx2no
05-15-2010 10:40 PM


Re: FOUL BALL!
lyx2no writes:
I choose explain.
You have the dinos killed off in a great flood 4,350 years ago. As you are citing Keller, who puts the strike at 300,000 years prior to the extinction your great flood as evidence for your position, you are, therein, putting the strike at 304,350 years ago.
All well and good. But if you don't believe that Keller is arguing for a strike at 304,350 years ago you shouldn't be citing her as support for your position. You can't go round citing the bits you like. It's called quote mining. Are you familiar with the term?
Hey, kiddo, I wasn't born 5 years ago, so stop treating me as if I was. Nice try at obfuscating my position, applying my flood catastrophic non-uniform position to ToE dating methodology, which assumes relative uniformity.
You people continually demand SOURSE but when sources are cited you whine, quote miner.
The problem with some of you people is that whenever a creationist begins scoring points, you resort to backhanded tactics, such as this or demeaning personal attacks relative to information damaging to your arguments.
It's no wonder dear sister Faith lost her cool and nobody having anything but really thick skin comes here to argue with you people for any length of time.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 195 of 271 (560556)
05-16-2010 12:10 AM
Reply to: Message 191 by Percy
05-15-2010 9:30 PM


Re: Reptiles and Dinosaurs
Percy writes:
.......the message containing this evidence and quote the portion........
The message? Portion of message?? Percy, if in seven long pages and hours of research and debate, you can't find more than one portion of one message supportive of my position, why don't you just cut to the chase and ban me from the thread? It appears that that's what you're about. No?
(And yah, it was me that gives you a one rating for this message. )

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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