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Percy
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Message 191 of 271 (560543)
05-15-2010 9:30 PM
Reply to: Message 183 by Buzsaw
05-15-2010 4:36 PM


Re: Reptiles and Dinosaurs
Buzsaw writes:
Percy, springtime is one of my busiest times away from my computer, so much so, that I simply don't have time to rehash it all again.
I understand, Buz. You're a very busy person right now, you presented the evidence that dinosaurs and humans existed at the same time earlier in the thread, and you don't have the time to describe it all again. But if you could spare just a few seconds, please just provide a link to the message containing this evidence and quote the portion that presents it. It shouldn't take you very long and I'd greatly appreciate it.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 202 of 271 (560574)
05-16-2010 6:03 AM
Reply to: Message 195 by Buzsaw
05-16-2010 12:10 AM


Re: Reptiles and Dinosaurs
Hi Buz,
I can appreciate that it must be very frustrating dealing with someone who is somehow still unaware of all the evidence for your position after all the time and research you've put into this, but I'm working very hard, too, and after reading every one of your messages in this thread I can see no real-world evidence for a flood 4350 years ago.
So again, pretend you're preparing me for a debate where I'm to take the position that humans and dinosaurs coexisted at the same time 4350 years ago. What evidence should I present in order to win the debate.
I don't need a detailed presentation. I just need something like the list of items Coragyps provided for an asteroid strike 65 million years ago, e.g.:
  • Crater
  • Shocked quartz in Nebraska
  • Tectites
  • Iridium
  • Tsunami deposits
Some equivalent and very brief list for the coexistence of humans and dinosaurs 4350 years ago should take you almost no time at all and I'd greatly appreciate it. Thanks.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 226 of 271 (560750)
05-17-2010 11:29 AM
Reply to: Message 212 by Buzsaw
05-16-2010 10:54 PM


Re: Reptiles and Dinosaurs
Hi Buz,
I've read through your message several times trying to extract the real world evidence for the coexistence of humans and dinosaurs 4350 years ago, and I think I've identified all of it. Would this be an accurate summary:
  • Evidence for an asteroid strike about 65 million years ago.
  • Evidence for a warmer and wetter climate prior to 65 million years ago.
If that is correct then I don't think I'm going to fare very well in the debate unless I start picking and choosing my scientific evidence. For example, I could mention the scientific evidence for an asteroid strike and leave out the scientific evidence that it occurred 65 million years ago, but that doesn't strike me as honest.
Given the evidence you've provided thus far I think I would be slaughtered in the debate. Do you have any other real world evidence for the existence of humans and dinosaurs 4350 years ago?
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 231 of 271 (560846)
05-17-2010 9:48 PM
Reply to: Message 229 by Buzsaw
05-17-2010 9:18 PM


Re: Reptiles and Dinosaurs
Buzsaw writes:
The flood hypothesis looks at the above evidence and attributes the warm and wet climate to a pre-flood planet and atmosphere as the vapor canopy which I've described. The flood hypothesis assumes a non-uniform catastrophic event. The implication of this is that the carbon and other element makeup of the planet and atmosphere previous to 4350 years ago would be unknown and likely much different than post flood. Thus the meteor strike and warmer climate could have happened a few thousand years ago.
Right, we all understand your hypothesis. But remember, you're preparing me for a debate where I'm to take the position that humans and dinosaurs coexisted 4350 years ago, and I need the evidence supporting that hypothesis. So I might continue my presentation during the debate like this:
"I said in my introductory comments that I would describe the scientific evidence that tells us that humans and dinosaurs coexisted at the same time about 4350 years ago, and so I will do that now."
What do I say next? You have to tell me what the real world evidence is for the coexistence of dinosaurs and humans 4350 years ago so that I can present it in the debate.
--Percy
Edited by Percy, : Grammar.
Edited by Percy, : Clarification.

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Percy
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Message 242 of 271 (560907)
05-18-2010 4:48 AM
Reply to: Message 236 by Buzsaw
05-18-2010 12:01 AM


Re: Reptiles and Dinosaurs
Buzsaw writes:
I've aired all I have...
Right, I understand. But I've read every one of your posts in this thread and I'm somehow just unable to find where you presented the evidence for the coexistence of humans and dinosaurs 4350 years ago. I'm sure since you keep telling me you already presented the evidence that it must be in your messages somewhere, but I just can't find it. Since you've already presented the evidence and since you've explained how busy you are at this time of year I don't want to take up any more of your valuable time than necessary, so just a short list of the evidence unencumbered by any description is all I'm asking for. The example I provided before of what I'm looking for was Coragyps list of the evidence for an asteroid strike 65 million years ago.
  • Crater
  • Shocked quartz in Nebraska
  • Tectites
  • Iridium
  • Tsunami deposits
Some equivalent list of the evidence for the coexistence of humans and dinosaurs 4350 years is all I'm asking for. Since you've worked on this for decades you should be able to rattle off such a list off the top of your head in just a few seconds. Things that actually happened leave evidence behind, and all I'm asking for is a short list of that evidence.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 248 of 271 (561375)
05-20-2010 7:14 AM
Reply to: Message 244 by Buzsaw
05-20-2010 12:15 AM


Re: Reptiles and Dinosaurs
Buzsaw writes:
Percy writes:
Some equivalent list of the evidence for the coexistence of humans and dinosaurs 4350 years is all I'm asking for. Since you've worked on this for decades you should be able to rattle off such a list off the top of your head in just a few seconds. Things that actually happened leave evidence behind, and all I'm asking for is a short list of that evidence
Percy, can we agree that an hypothesis having a premise of a global flood as per the Genesis account would needs assume non-uniform planet properties relative to elements in the atmospher and planet surface?
What I need to win my debate about whether humans and dinosaurs coexisted 4350 years ago is a list of the evidence. Descriptions of how the evidence fits together would be helpful, too, but you say you've already done that in this thread and that you're very busy, so if I can just see a short bullet list then I should be able to track down the messages with the details. If a Genesis flood and non-uniform planet properties are part of what I have to demonstrate in order to win the debate then I need evidence for those, too.
--Percy
Edited by Percy, : Grammar.

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