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dronestar
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Message 53 of 122 (566150)
06-23-2010 10:07 AM
Reply to: Message 51 by onifre
06-23-2010 9:17 AM


Re: Know what a NeoCon is?
Artemis Entreri writes:
I think this is classic Oni
Actually, I think Oni's message #51 started off as "Caffeine-Free-Oni", then into the second paragraph flipped-flopped between "Vanilla-Oni" and "Coca-Cola-Oni-Zero".
But, without doubt, the reply most definitely finished as "Classic-Oni".

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Message 94 of 122 (566562)
06-25-2010 10:53 AM
Reply to: Message 92 by Hyroglyphx
06-25-2010 10:20 AM


Re: Know what a NeoCon is?
Hyro,
In the thread "Health care reform almost at the finish line... correction: it's finished", Taq asked:
"would the Tea Party movement be ok with a defense budget reduction of $200 billion to pay for a $100 billion health care bill?"
I have yet to hear a republican/neo-con/fiscal-conservative answer this question. Seeing the US spends (wastes/graffs) on its military about as much as the rest of the world COMBINED, would you favor Taq's proposal?

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dronestar
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Message 99 of 122 (566575)
06-25-2010 12:23 PM
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06-25-2010 11:36 AM


Re: Know what a NeoCon is?
Sigh.
No, I did not write that the US military spends "MORE". Rather, I wrote that the US spends "ABOUT AS MUCH". (Perhaps you can work on your reading comprehension skills sometime.)
So I hardly see why throwing more money in to a pit of uselessness would be advantageous at all.
To you, health care is useless? Really?
Hyro, what is your take on the following Eisenhower quote? Specifically about children born in poverty, the people who have financial catastrophies (E.g. Enron employees with their pensions stolen) or health crisis in their lives:
Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, represents, in the final analysis, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children.
Dwight D. Eisenhower
34th president of US

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Message 102 of 122 (566583)
06-25-2010 1:16 PM
Reply to: Message 100 by Straggler
06-25-2010 1:08 PM


Re: Know what a NeoCon is?
What an anti-American commie scumbag!! Who does this Eisenhower dude think he is?
Although I may worship Eisenhower's rants, I don't necessarily consider him a god.

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dronestar
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Message 111 of 122 (566638)
06-25-2010 3:31 PM
Reply to: Message 110 by New Cat's Eye
06-25-2010 3:28 PM


Re: defense spending
Thanks CS, your total ($904B) and mine ($895 billion for 2011) are close enough. Hyro's ($663B) doesn't include all items such as:
* DoD - $548.9 billion
* Dept. of Energy, Nuclear Security - $11.2 billion
* Homeland Security - $43.6 billion
* Veterans Affairs - $57 billion
* State and other International Programs - $58.5 billion.
* Contingency Operations Budget - $159.3 billion
Error
However, I want to point out two additional items that should easily cause US military spending to eclipse world wide military spending:
1. The true cost of Iraq war will blossom exponentially in the coming years:
The Three Trillion Dollar War
The book examines the full cost of the Iraq War, including many hidden costs.
The Three Trillion Dollar War - Wikipedia
2. Real-world tabulations, will drive costs in money and human terms exponentially higher. Remember, for every woman or child murdered by American soldiers, their family and friends WILL seek revenge. And in fighting this endless "terrorism" some researchers predict the costs will eventually bankrupt the nation. Well, duh.
zcommunications.org - zcommunications Resources and Information.
I keep asking why Americans aren't angered by all this.

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Message 116 of 122 (566656)
06-25-2010 3:50 PM
Reply to: Message 113 by onifre
06-25-2010 3:41 PM


Re: defense spending
I know, I know.
Manufactured Consent, Manufactured Consent, Manufactured Consent, Manufactured Consent, Manufactured Consent, Manufactured Consent, Manufactured Consent, Manufactured Consent, Manufactured Consent, Manufactured ConsentManufactured Consent, Manufactured Consent, Manufactured Consent, Manufactured Consent, Manufactured Consent, Manufactured Consent, Manufactured Consent, Manufactured Consent, Manufactured Consent, Manufactured Consent, Manufactured Consent, Manufactured Consent, Manufactured Consent, Manufactured Consent, Manufactured Consent, Manufactured Consent, Manufactured Consent, Manufactured ConsentManufactured Consent, Manufactured Consent, Manufactured Consent, Manufactured Consent, Manufactured Consent, Manufactured Consent, Manufactured Consent, Manufactured Consent, Manufactured Consent . . .
If I write it one million times, do you think I'll remember it?

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dronestar
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Message 118 of 122 (566662)
06-25-2010 4:08 PM
Reply to: Message 117 by onifre
06-25-2010 3:57 PM


Re: defense spending
I don't knock the Defence Industry for doing their job. I don't knock anyone for attempting to make money.
Did U ever see "Lord of War" (2005)
Lord of War (2005) - IMDb
I know it is an over the top Hollywood movie, but if you ever saw the salespeople at weapons production sales conferences, it would turn your stomach to know such people DO exist. Those war-salesmen / war-production-lobbyists sicken me.

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