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Author Topic:   Open letter to conservatives
Straggler
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Message 5 of 122 (565828)
06-21-2010 10:45 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by Artemis Entreri
06-21-2010 10:34 AM


Re: Know what a NeoCon is?
I think you and the writer of this article have confused Conservatives, with Neoconservatives, as they are quite different.
So which would you class yourself as?
Which would you class GW Bush as? Palin? McCain?
What about the tea party movement - Is that neo-con?
Making this article nothing more than missguided anti-republican drivel.
Which significant figures in the Republican party would you say are not neo-cons?
Just an interested outside observer......

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Message 7 of 122 (565831)
06-21-2010 11:09 AM
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06-21-2010 10:53 AM


Re: Know what a NeoCon is?
Colin Powell and Ron Paul stick out.
With my admittedly limited knowledge of these individuals I am guessing that the 'open letter' in question wasn't really directed at either of these two people.

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Straggler
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Message 10 of 122 (565837)
06-21-2010 11:46 AM
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06-21-2010 11:18 AM


Re: Know what a NeoCon is?
I'm guessing by the tone and invective, it would apply to anyone who refers to themselves as a Republican in one regard or another.
Maybe more accurately it is aimed at all those who support the current actions and direction of the Republican party?
Like I say - I dunno - I am an outsider to this. But that does seem to be how it could be construed.
The problem is that the open letter generalizes and makes sweeping allegations.
In a party political system an open letter inevitably will. But open letters of this sort can be a powerful way to get a point across. Despite inviting that inevitable accusation.
I think it would be more wise and conducive to productive conversation to narrow it down to specific people within the party instead of blaming the entire GOP.
I think that those it is aimed at are those who hold to or support a particular direction that the GOP appears to be moving in. From the letter:
Letter writes:
I grew up in a profoundly Republican home, so I can remember when you wore a very different face than the one we see now. You've lost me and you've lost most of America. Because I believe having responsible choices is important to democracy, I'd like to give you some advice and an invitation.
First, the invitation: Come back to us.
That doesn't sound like a condemnation of all Republicans at all.
That way you can be an objective observer versus being a biased mouthpiece for the left.
I don't think you can make this sort of point (whether you agree with it or not) by specifying individuals alone (although he does mention a fair few)
When an established political party in any historically proud democracy lurches to what could be called an extreme these sort of comparisons are inevitable. And maybe even necessary.
Edited by Straggler, : No reason given.

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Message 13 of 122 (565842)
06-21-2010 11:57 AM
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06-21-2010 11:52 AM


Re: Know what a NeoCon is?
Conservative, like Barry Goldwater, I lean a bit to the libertarian side. I am not sure if its possible but I would say right-wing-libertarian, or libertarian-conservative.
I don't know Barry Goldwater. So in what sense are you libertarian and in what sense right wing? What sort of issues do you vote on primarily for example?
I realize ppl may not think Ron Paul is significant, but I voted for him, so he is significant to me.
Alas I don't know Ron Paul either. So my ignorance of your US political characters is not helping in this thread.
I'll look them up on Wiki or something.

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Straggler
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Message 100 of 122 (566581)
06-25-2010 1:08 PM
Reply to: Message 99 by dronestar
06-25-2010 12:23 PM


Re: Know what a NeoCon is?
Hyro, what is your take on the following Eisenhower quote?
What an anti-American commie scumbag!! Who does this Eisenhower dude think he is?

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Straggler
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Message 106 of 122 (566595)
06-25-2010 2:02 PM
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06-25-2010 1:16 PM


Re: Know what a NeoCon is?
Apparently I can ritually sacrifice goats to the "demons" of footballing fortune in the hope of a convincing England win in the world cup, molest donkeys to appease the supernatural "devils" who control the weather in London and pray to the "angels" who can relieve my son of his chicken pox - And yet still unreservedly and legitimately call myself an atheist.
Ho hum.
Although I may worship Eisenhower's rants, I don't necessarily consider him a god.
Off-topic rant aside I think that was a great quote from Eisenhower and top marks to GM for her staunch defence against the recent right-wing US assault on the UK NHS.

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Message 109 of 122 (566631)
06-25-2010 3:20 PM
Reply to: Message 108 by New Cat's Eye
06-25-2010 3:11 PM


Re: defense spending
The US spends 73% as much as the rest of the world combined.
That is incredible. Think about that. 73% of what the entire world spends on defence is spent by the US.
Or, the US spends 42% of the total spending.
Total spending on what?
These two figures seem contradictory but I am not sure what the second one is showing?

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Message 112 of 122 (566640)
06-25-2010 3:36 PM
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06-25-2010 3:28 PM


Re: defense spending
Yeah, we must have a pretty huge dick
Yes - It is being wangled in my face as we speak. Please take it elsewhere.

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Straggler
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Message 115 of 122 (566655)
06-25-2010 3:49 PM
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06-25-2010 3:47 PM


Re: defense spending
Kinda makes me wanna change my name to: Dick Wangler
It suits you.

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