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Rahvin
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Message 241 of 269 (566943)
06-28-2010 7:00 PM
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06-28-2010 5:01 PM


Fag?
I'm fairly certain that the word "fag" refers to a cigarette.
That, or an extremely loud and obnoxious person, typically of limited intelligence, who insists on being as disruptive to other people as humanly possible, especially when pertaining to Harley Davidson enthusiasts.

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onifre
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Message 242 of 269 (566947)
06-28-2010 7:44 PM
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06-28-2010 7:00 PM


Re: Fag?
I'm fairly certain that the word "fag" refers to a cigarette.
Yeah, Rrhain is a cigarette... that likes to blow other cigarettes.
That, or an extremely loud and obnoxious person, typically of limited intelligence, who insists on being as disruptive to other people as humanly possible, especially when pertaining to Harley Davidson enthusiasts.
The official South Park definition, thanks, dude. I don't know why Rrhain keeps bringing up that I'd like to have sex with him. He knows exactly what it means. What a fucking cigarette...
- Oni

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Rahvin
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Message 243 of 269 (566954)
06-28-2010 8:08 PM
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06-28-2010 7:44 PM


Re: Fag?
Yeah, Rrhain is a cigarette... that likes to blow other cigarettes.
Much as I can compeltely understand being sensitive and easily offended by a subset of humor that seems to be taken at the expense of a group to which you belong, the simple fact is that for many other people, humor serves as a way to unwind about tense topics, and allow them to be finally talked about openly and rationally rather than clinging to the taboos of yesterday.
Yes, that means that for some people off-color jokes, including jokes about gays and races and religions and whatever, actually help to bring attention to the subjects and to help mainstream folks accept those subsets of society as normal and harmless. At a certain level, humor functions to question what we think we know by making an absurd caricature, and it's never a bad thing to question your beliefs.
There is a "line" where things stop being funny, but that line is subjective and different for everyone. What absolutely offends Rrhain might make me roll on the ground laughing, or vice versa.
Some people, of course, just can't take a joke.

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onifre
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Message 244 of 269 (566955)
06-28-2010 8:31 PM
Reply to: Message 243 by Rahvin
06-28-2010 8:08 PM


Re: Fag?
Yes, that means that for some people off-color jokes, including jokes about gays and races and religions and whatever, actually help to bring attention to the subjects and to help mainstream folks accept those subsets of society as normal and harmless.
There is a "line" where things stop being funny, but that line is subjective and different for everyone.
A lot of comics push and push until someone says, "Hey, stop, that's the line." The best comics keep going.
It's those jokes that cross the line that eventually set the standard for where the *new* line will be... till it gets crossed again. Carlin's "7 Words," Rock's "Nigga vs Black People," Lenny Bruce's breakdown of religion, Bill Hick's jokes about pro-life people...all of these were once considered taboos and "lines" not to be crossed. Carlin arrested, Bruce arrested, Hick's murdered by David Letterman (censored). But now-a-days everything they said and did can be done on networks or basic cable. In fact, Letterman finally aired the Bill Hicks set that he once censored.
There is no line, there never has been.
What absolutely offends Rrhain might make me roll on the ground laughing, or vice versa.
Some people, of course, just can't take a joke.
What gets me, and he can chime in when he reads this is, he knows exactly how I'm using the word. It's usually liberals that break through the "word" taboos anyway - it's always been our side (and I just mean non-conservative, not Dem/Rep) that pushes the lines. Why he's acting like a douche about it I don't know.
- Oni

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Rahvin
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Message 245 of 269 (566959)
06-28-2010 9:29 PM
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06-28-2010 8:31 PM


Re: Fag?
What gets me, and he can chime in when he reads this is, he knows exactly how I'm using the word. It's usually liberals that break through the "word" taboos anyway - it's always been our side (and I just mean non-conservative, not Dem/Rep) that pushes the lines. Why he's acting like a douche about it I don't know.
Of course you do. He's legitimately offended (or thinks that he should be offended, or both, only he can really determine that for himself) by a word that has a long and filthy history in the US of being a derogatory word used to refer to homosexuals. The meaning of the word is changing, as English words are wont to do, as homosexuality becomes less and less a social pariah; it's just no longer so insulting to suggest that a guy might like the cock. In fact, the only people who still really get offended by the suggestion of being gay (as opposed to the use of the word "fag") are the homophobes themselves, a fact i find to be deliciously ironic.
He's not required to think it's funny. It'd be nice if he could see the point of view of the comic, but even that isn't required of him. There is a very legitimate reason to react with anger and outrage towards the word "fag," much like the words "nigger," "chink," "spic," and whatever other term has historically been used derisively. I understand completely where he's coming from in that respect.
I just think that things that are offensive are usually funny, that blasphemy tickles me, and that mocking sacred cows and poking fun of social taboos is generally the way to increase general understanding from the unwashed masses. After all, Billy Bob in Arkansas isn't likely to read through one of Rrhain's outraged diatribes, what with Billy's 3rd grade reading ability. But he is likely to laugh while watching Comedy Central, and making him laugh about the buttsex is one of the best ways to make him stop hating it.

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AZPaul3
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Message 246 of 269 (567036)
06-29-2010 12:01 PM
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06-28-2010 8:31 PM


Re: Fag?
Why he's acting like a douche about it I don't know.
First he is a "fag", now he's a "douche."
Using Rrhain's reasoning here I'm having difficulty in determining exactly where you want to fuck him. I'm so confused.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 247 of 269 (567038)
06-29-2010 12:04 PM
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06-29-2010 12:01 PM


Re: Fag?
Why he's acting like a douche about it I don't know.

First he is a "fag", now he's a "douche."
Using Rrhain's reasoning here I'm having difficulty in determining exactly where you want to fuck him. I'm so confused.
Yeah you are. Rrhain's reasoning is that Oni want to be fucked by Rrhain....

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Rahvin
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Message 248 of 269 (567039)
06-29-2010 12:05 PM
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06-29-2010 12:01 PM


Re: Fag?
First he is a "fag", now he's a "douche."
Using Rrhain's reasoning here I'm having difficulty in determining exactly where you want to fuck him. I'm so confused.
Well let's be honest - "enema" doesn't have quite the same ring to it that "douche" does.
"You're a fucking enema, dude."
"You're a fucking douche, dude."
See?

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AZPaul3
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Message 249 of 269 (567040)
06-29-2010 12:19 PM
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06-29-2010 12:04 PM


Re: Fag?
Rrhain's reasoning is that Oni want to be fucked by Rrhain....
Ahh, OK. So if Rrhain is a fag I can see the mechanics here. But if he is now a douche ... ? Got any illustrations?
Well let's be honest - "enema" doesn't have quite the same ring to it that "douche" does.
Ohh, semantics. Well, then never mind.
Still I'd like to see those illustrations.
Please?
Pretty please?

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 250 of 269 (567047)
06-29-2010 12:31 PM
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06-29-2010 12:19 PM


Re: Fag?
Rrhain's reasoning is that Oni want to be fucked by Rrhain....

Ahh, OK. So if Rrhain is a fag I can see the mechanics here. But if he is now a douche ... ?
I guess that would mean Oni is "not so fresh", you know... down there.
Got any illustrations?
Do I!

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AZPaul3
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Message 251 of 269 (567059)
06-29-2010 1:12 PM
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06-29-2010 12:31 PM


Re: Fag?
Thanks, CS, but now I'm more confused.
Oni's dick is a fish? I thought Rrhain was the douche?
Was Rrhain trying to douche Oni's dick? That might make sense.
Thanks, again.

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Message 252 of 269 (567062)
06-29-2010 1:33 PM
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06-29-2010 1:12 PM


Re: Gender and Humor
Ummm, thanks guys for returning to my original topic, "Gender and Humor."
I guess.

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 253 of 269 (567069)
06-29-2010 2:26 PM
Reply to: Message 243 by Rahvin
06-28-2010 8:08 PM


Re: Fag?
There is a "line" where things stop being funny, but that line is subjective and different for everyone. What absolutely offends Rrhain might make me roll on the ground laughing, or vice versa.
I completely agree. I've been offended by jokes before too, but not to the point where I was going to take up action against them. I think where the lady in the video and I part ways is what she would like to do in light of the off-color remarks. She wants to censor this guy from ever being able to say it altogether.
It's not only unconstitutional, but it is unnecessary. Take for example Kramer from Seinfeld (I'm struggling to remember his real name). He went ballistic one night, carrying on and on about blacks. I thought it was horrible just like most people. He wasn't even making jokes at that point. He was just drunk and started standing on his soapbox. And for his pathetic tirade, he paid for it.
We don't need the government's involvement. He just committed career suicide. Those are the consequences that Rrhain refuses to even acknowledge.
For him, the PC police need to show up and shut him down, and presumably throw him in a gulag for his crimes against humanity (obvious hyperbole, but you get the idea). Preserve speech, and let the audience decide what is funny and what is distasteful.
Edited by Hyroglyphx, : No reason given.

"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from mistaken conviction." — Blaise Pascal

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 254 of 269 (567070)
06-29-2010 2:26 PM
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06-29-2010 1:12 PM


Re: Fag?
Was Rrhain trying to douche Oni's dick? That might make sense
Yes, I think this is the logical outcome.
But I never did master Rrhainian Logic.
Actually, that should probably be "logic"...

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 255 of 269 (567081)
06-29-2010 2:54 PM
Reply to: Message 245 by Rahvin
06-28-2010 9:29 PM


Re: Fag?
The meaning of the word is changing, as English words are wont to do, as homosexuality becomes less and less a social pariah; it's just no longer so insulting to suggest that a guy might like the cock. In fact, the only people who still really get offended by the suggestion of being gay (as opposed to the use of the word "fag") are the homophobes themselves, a fact i find to be deliciously ironic.
Yes, words evolve quite a bit. The words "fag" and "gay" has many modern connotations now or days. It used be solely reserved for homosexuals, but with the increase of homosexual tolerance, now it means much more. If someone says, "stop being such a fag," he likely isn't telling him to stop being a homosexual. In fact, he probably doesn't mean to be derrogatory towards homosexuals at all. What he really means is, "stop being such a pussy" (another word that has many connotations)
Another phrase, "that's so gay," doesn't mean "that reminds me of homosexuals," it likely means "that's so lame." Some people, to not disparage homosexuals while still realizing the relevance of the modern phrasing, substitute "gay" with "ghey." So if you want to say that's so lame, you can say that's so ghey, instead of insulting homosexuals.
And then you have the fags (losers, not homosexuals) that are still offended by even that. Fucking pussies. It's ironic. I think the thing that offends me the most are people who are too easily offended. Irony knows no bounds!

"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from mistaken conviction." — Blaise Pascal

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